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:sosad:Toyota sell excellent cars, I had 4 Land Cruiser, and my boys and girls had Corollas, yaris, and now grown up they went to Land Criuser, 4Runner and Minivan, and everybody happy.
I got a 2009 Sienna Limited, with the "Navigation System" on October 2008, it came with the 7.1 DVD, and 1 month later the DVD 8.1 came with the cars, I ask for the new DVD and Toyota asked for 300$, it is abusive by them, that they refused to upgrade my system bought just a month before, if you buy a Garmin gps they upgrade the gps bought several months before they came up with the new maps, and if you have to buy it then with 90$ you get you brand new data.
To make the matter even worse the Toyota system is very unfriendly to use and the manual is impossible to be understand including the guy who wrote it.
After all this explanation, my decision is I will not buy any more Toyota's equipped with a gps o navigation system that is lousy and extremely expensive, from now on I buy my Toyota's and my Garmin Nuvi and I will be very happy and well served for a very reasonable price.

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My experience with OEM built-in navs are pretty much the same, not just Toyota. They all charge outrageous price for the map updates. Although my Infiniti and Dodge updates is $200, not $300 like Toyota. None of them are easy to figure out, especially for the non-tech wife, because they cram too much features into one unit. The biggest advantage to the build-in Nav, other than the factory clean look, is actually the back-up camera and the bluetooth. To get the same in-dash unit installed aftermarket is about $2k, not much savings there. I looked at the Kenwood, which uses Nuvi GPS engine, but just too pricy. Pioneer and others are cheaper, but you run into the same non-Nuvi GPS problems.

I got the 2008 Limited with JBL and Bluetooth, but no Nav, then spent $250 to buy Nuvi 5000 (only Nuvi that has video input) and $150 for a Boyo wired backup camera. (after returning 3 differnt brands of wireless camera, they all have poor pictures). The Nuvi map update is $69. Although does not look as nice as in-dash, at least it's got all the OEM functionalities without the price and it's the Nuvi GPS that really makes it worth it.
 

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Improvise, adapt, overcome

I know how you both feel, but there are ways around some of these issues.

I made a hybrid disc, v8.1 maps v5.1 loading.kwi. I still retain all functions with the ability to use the system while moving. Improvise.

I learned how to use it. It is quite challenging when a non user friendly system is thrown in your face, but after 2 years I know the limitations and I adapt.

After years of flying aircraft with mechanical steam gauges I was given the opportunity to fly a new aircraft with a Garmin G1000 cockpit. I stared at the 3 backup mechanical gauges and looked at the PFD & MFD with bewilderment. Now I overcame my fear and took the courses for the flight system and can say with much respect that it is the future and I will be a part of that future.

Toyota Navigtion: It is what it is....my two cents....
 

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I know how you both feel, but there are ways around some of these issues.

I made a hybrid disc, v8.1 maps v5.1 loading.kwi. I still retain all functions with the ability to use the system while moving. Improvise.

I learned how to use it. It is quite challenging when a non user friendly system is thrown in your face, but after 2 years I know the limitations and I adapt.

After years of flying aircraft with mechanical steam gauges I was given the opportunity to fly a new aircraft with a Garmin G1000 cockpit. I stared at the 3 backup mechanical gauges and looked at the PFD & MFD with bewilderment. Now I overcame my fear and took the courses for the flight system and can say with much respect that it is the future and I will be a part of that future.

Toyota Navigtion: It is what it is....my two cents....
In an airplane you don't have to constantly pay attention to keeping the plane within a narrow ~12 foot "path" while checking/adjusting/entering information in the garmin.

Visual reference Nav systems should have NEVER been authorized for road-going vehicles.

The safest way is to set it and forget it, turn the video off once underway.
Patently UNSAFE..!!
 

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I own a terrific '08 Sienna, loaded. Unfortunately the JBL GPS came with it. It is next to useless. According to the prorgamers the quickest way from the Jersey Shore to Connecticut is the Cross Bronx Expressway directly through NYC - Wrong! Try using it to get from Fredrick, MD to Annapolis. Toyota's route is at least an hour longer than a "local's" directions. Finally, saving the best for last, Sunday I was
sitting in a church parking lot waiting for the rest of the family to show for my grand daughters Baptism.
Fooling around, I tried to punch the address of the church into the system. Now, I am looking at my location on the screen with the street name right next to the location icon. The system said that the street did not exist in the town that I was in. What a waste of money. Get a Verizon Phone with Navigator.
 

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It is very unfriendly and its programmed badly. All the time it try to get you away from the turnpike, yo have to allow to use toll roads, anyway it is almost all the time going around the places if you use a garmin at the same time then you see the deference. Only once the Toyota was able to defeat the garmin.
When you are writing a address you have to be very precise, the street number you have to write st at the end, and write the town where you are located. After all this problem if you want to update the data you better be prepare to pay almost 300$ for the new version, and the improvement is very litle. As you say my next car from Toyota definitely and without question I will not have a GPS I will buy a Garmin, the best by far.
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Well.. to share the sentiments.. my MDX (Honda lux) DVD upgrade for a new Navi map would put a hole in the pocket worth $185 plus shipping and probably a hefty tax. That's the thing why they invented Navigation software, to earn more money.

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Navigation Updates

Toyota Gen3 Gen4 Gen5 all cost upwards of $225
Garmins annual is $60 or lifetime $129
I buy my discs annually from Delray Toyota in Delray Beach Florida and I purchased the lifetime update program from Garmin.
I also use PhantomAlert lifetime to keep me informed of possible speed traps.
It is the cost of ownership, asnd peace of mind:thumbsup:
Many others seem to get these Toyota updates and the Garmin updates on the newsgroups for free.
It is a cost of ownership and education if you know where to look.:rolleyes:
 

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Lockpick 2 WF

I installed my Lockpick 2 WF back on May 7th. Very good product for me

Easy Installation. 30 minutes 2006 Sienna Limited Gen 5 Nav

I now use my regular v8.1, not my "hybrid" v8.1

The new firmware has better voice commands as well.

My two cents..
 
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