Hopefully Toyota execs don't think like that. If Toyota showers itself in ego and blinds itself to its own faults, it will be the downfall of them like it was for GM in the 1970s.ToyotaMan1281 said:toyota will always be beter, ALWAYS
Hydrogen still has so many unresolved problems, one of them how can we pay for the cost to produce hydrogen?dsmnick said:I know many here don't seem to take fuel cell seriously and are convinced that gasoline hybrids are the future, but hopefully Toyota is thinking otherwise if they want to stay competitive. There are already plans in California for 200 hydrogen stations to be built along the I-5 corridor by 2010.
Tideland Prius said:"Yet the 400h gets just three more miles per gallon on the highway than the RX 330 - and it costs nearly $10,000 more. GM engineers say that this price tag at last accurately reflects the real cost of hybrid tech."
Isn't the whole point of the hybrid to SAVE gas, not produce more horsepower? Toyota simply bolted an electric motor onto the gasoline engine without decreasing the size of the gas engine, while in the Escape hybrid Ford made the gasoline engine smaller to get much better fuel economy. Horsepower suffers some, but hybrids are supposed to be about better fuel economy, right? Otherwise you'd be buying a 300 hp Mustang GT or a 425 hp Charger SRT-8 if you REALLY wanted horsepower.Ruffrydasean said:No sh** GM, but they're not just paying for the hybrid tech. The RX330 makes 230HP like they said, 400h makes 268, that's like getting the bigger engine option in a car(in addition to the hybrid tech, and other things), 4 cyl, malibu vs. V6 option, Mustang V6 vs. GT, etc, etc. They're losing and making BS excuses as to why they're not changing there ways IMO:disappoin
I don't know as much what GM is doing about E85, but Ford is making a big push to have half of its lineup E85 capable in the next few years. Ford is currently the largest producer of E85 vehicles and has the most on the road. E85 is more popular in the midwest since soybeans are plentiful and there are more E85 filling stations, but it's definitely something that should spread to the rest of the country. Not only are you helping farmers by buying E85 gas, but you pay less at the pump and E85 even gives small boosts in horsepower.pjsammy said:GM is one of the leading manufacturers supporting E85 fuel. Why they aren't making a bigger push for that is crazy! Pump out more E85-capable vehicles and help get the ball rolling on the E85 infastructure (especially in their own backyard, ie Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, etc.)
I'm all for Fuel Cells, but they've been talking about them since the 60s. It's always "10-15 years away". They may have some on the road in 2010, but I bet, like Hybrids, it'd be 5-10 years before they even capture a few percent of the market. Five years into the Hybrid age and we're at, what, 3% of the market? Doesn't really sound like a shift in buying habits just yet to me.
See, that's the problem. First you people say hybrids are slow and weak. Now Toyota presents to you a hybrid that's waay more powerful and you people say it's inefficient. Make up your damn mind!dsmnick said:Isn't the whole point of the hybrid to SAVE gas, not produce more horsepower? Toyota simply bolted an electric motor onto the gasoline engine without decreasing the size of the gas engine, while in the Escape hybrid Ford made the gasoline engine smaller to get much better fuel economy. Horsepower suffers some, but hybrids are supposed to be about better fuel economy, right? Otherwise you'd be buying a 300 hp Mustang GT or a 425 hp Charger SRT-8 if you REALLY wanted horsepower.
Toyota could have done a much better job on the Highlander and RX hybrids...the complaints they are getting about poor fuel economy compared to the gasoline version are deserved. I sure as hell wouldn't pay an $8000 premium for an extra 38 horses when I'm only getting 3 MPG better than the gasoline version. Anybody who pays for that is simply buying into hype. Save money and buy a compact car or a diesel car if fuel efficiency is so important. If the Highlander and RX hybrids were getting 10 MPG better, then I would say go for it...but as it stands right now, it's not worth the added cost.