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Yes, I do know that this is a Toyota forum, but my point is the competitive nature of the car business these days. For the price of a Honda Civic you are getting a hybrid with all the advantages of a gasoline engine and the extra fuel saving of a hybrid electric motor. Because I am a regular client at the Honda dealership, they actually let me take the car for a test drive as it was taken off the delivery truck. I have not taken the new Prius out for a test drive to compare ( nor do I plan to do so ) If they drag good prospects to try their new products, this shows you the state the car business is in.