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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I'm looking around for a good tow wench to put the front end of my SR5 4x4
Pickup. Any suggestions and advice would be greatly appreciated.
(Make, Price, Reliance)

Thank you,
Chris
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:22:52 -0800, "Chris" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'm looking around for a good tow wench to put the front end of my SR5 4x4
>Pickup. Any suggestions and advice would be greatly appreciated.
>(Make, Price, Reliance)


I saw the subject line and the first thought that popped into my
little bone head was "Oh, Natalie! It's for you..." But I have more
class than that, so...

Did I type that out loud? Ooooops. :p

Chris, you want a winch. Warn and Ramsey are the big manufacturers,
and they make several different units for varying loads and duty
cycles. You pick the size that is at least your vehicle weight, if
not more to account for the suction forces of mud. An 8,000 pound
winch pull rating covers most small and medium pickup trucks.

Most people use the planetary geared 12V electric units because they
are the most compact and easiest to hook up to the vehicle. There's
also the old Warn worm-gear and spur gear units, but they're huge.
You can get mounting kits that bolt a grille guard over the stock
bumper, and ones with a custom front bumper with the winch partially
or totally hidden inside.

You can run an electric winch off the starting battery you have now,
but it works much better if you install a second deep-cycle battery
and a charging isolator. You can pull for much longer with the engine
off before the winch battery runs down, then you still have a full
charge in the starting battery. So after you've winched yourself out
of the stream and dried out the ignition system you can crank it over.

They make winches that are hydraulic powered which are used on farm
and industrial equipment that already has a hydraulic PTO system, and
if you want you could modify your truck to use one - they make
hydraulic pumps with a pulley and electric clutch if you have a place
to hang it on the front of your engine. Then you have to find a spot
for a 1 or 2 gallon hydraulic fluid reservoir, and stick another fluid
cooler in front of the radiator...

Toyota has some factory mechanical winches that use a driveshaft to
run the winch from a Power Takeoff box on the transmission. Though
these are usually ordered as factory installed options for the
extremely rugged conditions found in third world countries.

The PTO or hydraulic winches have a 100% duty cycle since they are
direct engine driven, and they can have much higher load limits. You
can sit there pulling people out of the ditch all day, and the only
limit is your fuel supply - but if you are the one who is stuck and
you've drowned your engine so it won't start, you also have no winch.
With an electric, you are good till the battery runs down.

--<< Bruce >>--

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Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
That's WINCH you moron.

My suggestion is to learn to spell.




"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm looking around for a good tow wench to put the front end of my SR5 4x4
> Pickup. Any suggestions and advice would be greatly appreciated.
> (Make, Price, Reliance)
>
> Thank you,
> Chris
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Jeff Strickland wrote in message ...
>That's WINCH you moron.
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>My suggestion is to learn to spell.
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Nice, really nice. Helpful too. Did that make you feel a whole lot
better hotshot?

Cheri
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
lets chill. We know what the guy is looking for ...

To the OP:

Just ordered a warn XD9000 ... dont go below 8000 lbs and Warn is the
best. Cant use a hydraulic winch as your pump is too small unless you
upgrade that....

will have some experience in spring

Matt
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
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> Jeff Strickland wrote in message ...
>>That's WINCH you moron.
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>>My suggestion is to learn to spell.
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> Nice, really nice. Helpful too. Did that make you feel a whole lot
> better hotshot?
>
> Cheri
>
>


No. I feel the same. Why?
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
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> Jeff Strickland wrote in message ...
>>That's WINCH you moron.
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>>My suggestion is to learn to spell.
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> Nice, really nice. Helpful too. Did that make you feel a whole lot
> better hotshot?
>
> Cheri
>
>


I will suggest that the capacity of the winch one buys should be at a
minimum DOUBLE the weight of the vehicle it is attached to. If this comes
out to a capacity that isn't available, round UP to the next available
capacity.
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
"L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> lets chill. We know what the guy is looking for ...
>
> To the OP:
>
> Just ordered a warn XD9000 ... dont go below 8000 lbs and Warn is the
> best. Cant use a hydraulic winch as your pump is too small unless you
> upgrade that....
>
> will have some experience in spring
>
> Matt
>


A hydraulic winch has some serious overhaed in tha tit won't work unless the
engine is able to be running. If the vehicle is on its side or under water,
a hydraulic winch is no good at all. The ADVANTAGE of the hydraulic winch is
that it has a very long duty cycle, and can winch a vehicle up the side of a
ravine. Electric winches have a duty cycle that is only about 10 or 15
minutes, then they need a rest to cool down. But the electric models can
work even when the vehicle's engine can't be run.

Most winching only takes a couple of minutes, so most of us in the west --
deserts of Southern California and Arizona -- use electric models.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Jeff Strickland wrote in message ...
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>"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
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>> Jeff Strickland wrote in message ...
>>>That's WINCH you moron.
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>>>My suggestion is to learn to spell.
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>> Nice, really nice. Helpful too. Did that make you feel a whole lot
>> better hotshot?
>>
>> Cheri
>>
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>I will suggest that the capacity of the winch one buys should be at a
>minimum DOUBLE the weight of the vehicle it is attached to. If this

comes
>out to a capacity that isn't available, round UP to the next available
>capacity.
>


Thanks, I like that answer better. Sometimes I have questions about my
Toyota, and I don't want to be called a MORON for asking, or for a typo.

Cheri
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Thank you very much for all your suggestions!

It's been really helpful. As for "Natalie"

Is she cute?

Bruce, "You Da-Man"! (LoL)

Thank you,
Chris
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
On 11 Dec 2005 19:36:00 -0800, "L" <[email protected]> wrote:

>lets chill. We know what the guy is looking for ...
>
>To the OP:
>
>Just ordered a warn XD9000 ... dont go below 8000 lbs and Warn is the
>best. Cant use a hydraulic winch as your pump is too small unless you
>upgrade that....
>
>will have some experience in spring


You can not use the power steering pump for a hydraulic winch.

Well, theoretically you could - if you removed the stock power
steering pump and replaced it with a commercial two-stage hydraulic
pump in the same space, and added some sort of regulation for the
power steering pressure which needs to be lower than the max output of
that high powered pump, and you still need a large remote fluid
reservoir and a cooler...

--<< Bruce >>--

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Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
"Bruce L. Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 11 Dec 2005 19:36:00 -0800, "L" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>lets chill. We know what the guy is looking for ...
>>
>>To the OP:
>>
>>Just ordered a warn XD9000 ... dont go below 8000 lbs and Warn is the
>>best. Cant use a hydraulic winch as your pump is too small unless you
>>upgrade that....
>>
>>will have some experience in spring

>
> You can not use the power steering pump for a hydraulic winch.
>
> Well, theoretically you could - if you removed the stock power
> steering pump and replaced it with a commercial two-stage hydraulic
> pump in the same space, and added some sort of regulation for the
> power steering pressure which needs to be lower than the max output of
> that high powered pump, and you still need a large remote fluid
> reservoir and a cooler...
>


MileMarker does precisely that, use the power steering pump to run the
winch.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Toyotas power steering pump will not power a winch . That is why in a
toyota you cant. UNLESS you install a different pump.

In a Jeep it works fine with stock pump

Matt
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
L schrieb:

> Toyotas power steering pump will not power a winch . That is why in a
> toyota you cant. UNLESS you install a different pump.
>
> In a Jeep it works fine with stock pump


....and we all know why :->
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
I wish I was a little earlier for this thread. When I bought my Toy 21
years ago I told my friends I was going to mount an 8,000 pound winch to the
front of my truck. The reply came back, "why don't you get a small
Christian girl instead." ;)

"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> I'm looking around for a good tow wench to put the front end of my SR5 4x4
> Pickup. Any suggestions and advice would be greatly appreciated.
> (Make, Price, Reliance)
>
> Thank you,
> Chris
>
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
a. have seen it (work) in YJ's

b. Milemarker distributor said it will NOT wotk with stock Toyota
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:56:33 -0800, "Chris" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Thank you very much for all your suggestions!
>
>It's been really helpful. As for "Natalie"
>
>Is she cute?
>
>Bruce, "You Da-Man"! (LoL)
>
>Thank you,
>Chris


I threw that in as a total joke just to see if she was paying
attention, and it seems as if you're the only one who noticed...

Yes, she's cute, and she's got the goods to fill out a Renaissance
era Bodice very nicely. She's also rather married. And since I don't
want to get her angry with me we'll leave it right there. ;-)

--<< Bruce >>--

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Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
"Bruce L. Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:56:33 -0800, "Chris" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Thank you very much for all your suggestions!
>>
>>It's been really helpful. As for "Natalie"
>>
>>Is she cute?
>>
>>Bruce, "You Da-Man"! (LoL)
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Chris

>
> I threw that in as a total joke just to see if she was paying
> attention, and it seems as if you're the only one who noticed...
>
> Yes, she's cute, and she's got the goods to fill out a Renaissance
> era Bodice very nicely. She's also rather married. And since I don't
> want to get her angry with me we'll leave it right there. ;-)
>


FOR THE RECORD
I was teasing her too, just to see who was still awake. I know she's
married, and I'm married as well.

Her man is doing important stuff for our country, and flirting with the
women still at home holding down the fort might be considered in poor taste.
Sorry for the poor taste.
 
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