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The Monroe strut mounts that I have used looked like they were really good quality. These were mounts purchased separately as mounts. When I did the quick struts I forgot to really look at those to see if they were the same. You would think so, but you never really know if you are getting the same quality strut mount when you are buying quick struts. I would avoid any car parts made in India.
 

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I have been debating all winter which to go with on one of my 98's, Looks like I am going to try my luck with the Monroe Quick Struts.
The car is driven by my daughter, she won't know the difference between either brand, the Monroe have a 2 yr warranty, and they are offering a $120 Visa Prepaid Card making the overall cost pretty low.
 

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Thanks for all the replies here. It have helped me a lot. :)

I have very bad and rough roads around here, and i prefer a soft/smooth ride, but i don't want it too soft either as there's a lot of speed bumps which i don't want to crawl over at walking speed with a fully loaded car not to bottom out in the rear.

So basically, both KYB and Monroe are good, with maybe the exeption of teh KYB mounts, and the KYB gives a bit stiffer ride then OEM, where's Monroe gives a bit sifter ride compared to OEM? Is the KYB is significantly stiffer then OEM and the Monroe, or is it only a slight difference here?

I also see that Gabriel's ReadyMountis are now available at rockauto too, for about the same price. Does anyone have experience with these compared to the Monroe and KYB?
 

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My kyb struts have close to 100k miles. Starting to float a bit on the highway but still gives good ride and decent dampening. The stock springs seem to be sagging, I will eventually replace with complete assemblies. I'm leaning towards Sensen speedy struts. They are OE supplier for European cars, so I'm willing to gamble.
 

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100k miles sounds good, but are you now referring to the KYB struts alone, or their complete assembly (Strut Plus)?

Hearing so much about the soft and smooth ride with the Monroe, and KYB being stiffer then OEM, almost makes me change my mind again though. Right now I have OEM springs all around, and Optimal gas struts all around. And while they work fine, the car have become noticeably more stiff then my wife's gen 4.5 with what i believe have all OEM, and i prefers her soft suspension instead of mine.

But then I guess it wouldn't be a good idea to have softer then OEM in the rear (Monroe), and keep the stiffer them OEM in the front (Optimal).
I don't still have the OEM struts for the front, so i can't change it back, but maybe the best would be to put Monroe all around then, as Rockauto only have 1 of the 2 front KYB struts anyway..

Hmm, i'll probably be wondering about this until i place the order i think... :lol:
 

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The Monroe Blue ones lasted around 100K on my Escort.
I was beginning to think that I was the only one that had a positive experience with the Monroe quick struts.
100+ K miles on the '94 Camry and still quiet and solid with the blue struts.

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I was beginning to think that I was the only one that had a positive experience with the Monroe quick struts.
100+ K miles on the '94 Camry and still quiet and solid with the blue struts.

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It's always possible that one type of strut work better on some cars than others. Typically for someone who is not a car enthusiast the softer Monroes are probably their preferred choice. I prefer the Monroes to compensate for crappy roads.
 

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KYB struts with OEM integrated mounts and new OEM springs would pretty much make for a new OEM assembly, I think it's a very good choice. KYB assemblies come with horrible mounts (not close to OEM at all) that tend to fall apart with time. Have no clue about springs the KYB assemblies offer.

Monroe Quickstruts are good, but I can't say about newer OE Spectrum line of struts as mine are older type (Quickstruts with Monroe-matic struts). Assemblies last very well here in harsh mixed marine weather, but rust is showing up on strut towers and springs, mounts (fronts) have squeaky bearings (always had) and struts themselves are a bit stiffer than one would expect (it's a pain on swiss cheese roads around here, excellent on hwy though). I'd call Quickstruts average, but below OEM still. COuld be a good idea to use Monroe struts with lowering springs probably (and OEM mounts) though.

Another option is Gabriel Readymount assemblies, and usually Gabriel used to make excellent struts (probably better than KYB and OEM), but their mounts might be lacking a bit.
 

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Thanks for the advice. I've searched some on the Gabriels, but for the 4th gen at leas,t i've just seen loads and loads of dissapointed users (due to their mounts if i understood good).

After all this info, i think i'll just buy 2 monroe quickstruts for the rear, as i prefer a bit softer ride, and leave the front alone for now (mount, strut and spring is fine. Don't know how to check the bearing, but i can't hear or feel anything from it. Only dust booth and spring rubber seat that's worn out).

Just to be sure first though - should the mounts fail on the monroe, i could just use any aftermarket or OEM mount on the monroe quickstrut assembly, right?

The high ride with of the monroes isn't a big issue. In fact, it's the reason i don't just replace the mounts - as my springs are sagging heavily, and driving with a fully loaded car just isn't possible..
 

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Placed the order on Monroe rear quick struts now, among a bunch of other parts.
Hope i won't regret it.

Either way, thanks for all the useful info so far everyone, and i'll update on how they are once I've installed them. :)
 

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Just wanted to give an update here.
Have installed the quick struts a few days ago, and teh ride performance was drastically increased instantly.
It said the ride hight might be too high to begin with, but to be honest it didn't seem much higher then my old ones at all. The difference was still very notisable though, as these springs seem to get firmer and firmer the futher you push them, while the old ones would just bottom out in bumps if i had people in the car. No such problems anymore. :)

I was unable to use a torque wrench when installing them though, but for the 2 lower main bolts i just used a braker bar and tightend them rather good, and for the 3 upper nuts, all i could fit in there was a small tool like this:

Tightend them as hard as i could with this small tool. Have no idea how tight it actually is as this tool was only like 15-20cm long, but hopefully it not too over or undertightend. It's all quiet in bumps at least... :p
 

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I just installed KYB rear struts in my Gen-3 sedan, as I've been told that KYB doesn't make a quick-strut for my car, and I wanted to keep the wagon rear springs I installed last year because of the severe bottoming I was getting with my original springs.
My original mounts were still in good shape, though the boots were gone. The aftermarket boots I tried wouldn't fit, so I've decided to go bootless for now.
Because the leaking right-rear strut rotted the original lower spring insulator, I replaced those with about 16 inches of 5/8 inch diameter heater-hose slipped over the bottom coil of each spring. Ride seems a bit less harsh than it was when I installed the used rear wagon strut & spring units last year, but still very firm, which I like, and what this car really needed to tighten up the handling. I was able to use a ratchet & socket on the upper nuts after removing the rear shelf cover, but don't know how those are reached on the Gen-4

Happy Motoring, Mark
 

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The aftermarket boots I tried wouldn't fit, so I've decided to go bootless for now.
Same experience for me. The aftermarket boots were not an exact fit, just a generic fit that didn't match up with the notches. The Toyota boots are much better. Next time I will get Toyota boots and mounts to go with KYB struts.
 

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Just wanted to give an update here.
Have installed the quick struts a few days ago, and teh ride performance was drastically increased instantly.
It said the ride hight might be too high to begin with, but to be honest it didn't seem much higher then my old ones at all. The difference was still very notisable though, as these springs seem to get firmer and firmer the futher you push them, while the old ones would just bottom out in bumps if i had people in the car. No such problems anymore. :)

I was unable to use a torque wrench when installing them though, but for the 2 lower main bolts i just used a braker bar and tightend them rather good, and for the 3 upper nuts, all i could fit in there was a small tool like this:

Tightend them as hard as i could with this small tool. Have no idea how tight it actually is as this tool was only like 15-20cm long, but hopefully it not too over or undertightend. It's all quiet in bumps at least... :p
You are probably fine there. The torque specs on those upper bolts seem low to me. I used a ratcheting wrench for the ones where I could not get my torque wrench on.
 

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Same experience for me. The aftermarket boots were not an exact fit, just a generic fit that didn't match up with the notches. The Toyota boots are much better. Next time I will get Toyota boots and mounts to go with KYB struts.
Apparently, the Gen-3 rear boots are part of the mounts, and my local parts places wanted more for new mounts than I paid for the struts. Since many on this forum seem to have problems with the aftermarket mounts, I decided to re-use my old ones.

Happy Motoring, Mark
 

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Just wanted to give an update here.
Have installed the quick struts a few days ago, and teh ride performance was drastically increased instantly.
It said the ride hight might be too high to begin with, but to be honest it didn't seem much higher then my old ones at all. The difference was still very notisable though, as these springs seem to get firmer and firmer the futher you push them, while the old ones would just bottom out in bumps if i had people in the car. No such problems anymore. :)

I was unable to use a torque wrench when installing them though, but for the 2 lower main bolts i just used a braker bar and tightend them rather good, and for the 3 upper nuts, all i could fit in there was a small tool like this:

Tightend them as hard as i could with this small tool. Have no idea how tight it actually is as this tool was only like 15-20cm long, but hopefully it not too over or undertightend. It's all quiet in bumps at least... :p
Jan, what color were the Monroe struts that you installed? Were the blue or black.
I think that using your judgment instead of a torque wrench is fine. Not so loose that they move or make noise, not so tight that you snap a bolt or strip threads.
 

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I could only use my smallest wrench on the top nuts, so i really have no idea how tight they are. I tightend them as strongly as i could, but it's limited how much force one can put on a ~20cm wrench though, so i hope it's ok.

As for the color, they were all black. Strut, spring, and mount.
 

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I could only use my smallest wrench on the top nuts, so i really have no idea how tight they are. I tightend them as strongly as i could, but it's limited how much force one can put on a ~20cm wrench though, so i hope it's ok.
I'm not promoting the misuse of tools because that could break tools, void warranties or cause injury. But there are ways to improvise the use of certain wrenches to increase the force exerted on them.

They are called "cheaters" :naughty:





 

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Hehe, been there, done that. :D
It works like a dream in some cases, but it's also a recipe for rounding off bolt heads if you put a lot of force on it though.
 
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