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repeated breaks - moog end link question

I have a question on the Moog end links. I used to replace the end links with sealed ones either oem or mevotech. I happened to go for the Moog greasable kind this time. I noticed today that I can wiggle the end links somewhat. This movement is not as bad as when sealed ones go bad. I refilled with grease and figured I would watch it.

I have been greasing it ok. I know grease kind are supposed to last long time if properly maintained....

Is that normal or does it mean it is bad and time for replacement?

Edit 1/6/17: Edited title. End links broken again.
 

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Update. I did not realize I posted in the wrong section. Anyways, I am replacing the links under warranty.
 

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Yeah. This is my first warranty replacement via Rockauto. We get to order a new part for which they refund in full. We pay for old part shipping to them.

I think next time I will get a part (a small part like this) that is equivalent price with Limited Lifetime at autozone. For this end link, I checked for an average brand vs their best at autozone and the diff was about $7. If I had to do the replace even once, I would be even or ahead, and without wait. Go in with old part and go out with new part.
 
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Greaseable parts are always supposed to be kept full of grease in order for them to outlast OEM parts. The internal design is a metal on metal contact, so without grease, it'll wear much faster than the OEM, which uses a metal on plastic contact.

Some components don't come with enough grease in them from the factory, so its important to grease them when installing them. If you are feeling too much free play or they're clunking over bumps, its time to replace them.

 

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Not sure how or why but I think these rear end links are breaking again. Bolted on correct, greased (regreased recently). Wonder if something is wrong with sway bar geometry. I use the corolla on the same roads for weeks without issues.

Never had this issue before. Have to hit any potholes lately. Anything specific I can check?
 

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When you say they 'broken', too much play in them and they are clunking?

Would an excessively worn strut cause excessive wear on the end link? Just a thought.
 

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Excessive play, I can get under the car and wiggle link front to back. Both ends of each link. Initially did not hear clunk. I do feel more noise now. Maybe few more weeks to an audible clunk?

I was also wondering about the weak strut part. On net search, this does not come up at all. The topic forks into either strut or end link. The struts are 2 yr old KYB vs OEM. So when the oem struts were bad initially, even bad struts were smooth though bouncy (float ride). (I know. This goes without say, weaker oems are better than aftermarket. But lets go past that one for now).

This should be simple inspection but... When I took them out before front and rear struts were still hard to press down and rebound was good. Fronts were little harder than fronts (maybe that is spec). Maybe the springs are weak and that could be causing some strain on the struts (absorbers).

I will take it to a different inspection place than firestone or should I just pay for it at dealer? And then go from there?

Just today I had wife take our honda for alignment at firestone and then got the inspection. They found nothing. Just last night I took a pic from engine bay of an obvious leak at gear box at steering column where there is an NPT connector going to rubber hose (rack itself was clean). Nope, "everything is fine" was what I heard back.

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Excessive play, I can get under the car and wiggle link front to back. Both ends of each link. Initially did not hear clunk. I do feel more noise now. Maybe few more weeks to an audible clunk?

I was also wondering about the weak strut part. On net search, this does not come up at all. The topic forks into either strut or end link. The struts are 2 yr old KYB vs OEM. So when the oem struts were bad initially, even bad struts were smooth though bouncy (float ride). (I know. This goes without say, weaker oems are better than aftermarket. But lets go past that one for now).

This should be simple inspection but... When I took them out before front and rear struts were still hard to press down and rebound was good. Fronts were little harder than fronts (maybe that is spec). Maybe the springs are weak and that could be causing some strain on the struts (absorbers).

I will take it to a different inspection place than firestone or should I just pay for it at dealer? And then go from there?

Just today I had wife take our honda for alignment at firestone and then got the inspection. They found nothing. Just last night I took a pic from engine bay of an obvious leak at gear box at steering column where there is an NPT connector going to rubber hose (rack itself was clean). Nope, "everything is fine" was what I heard back.

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Geez, wonder how they failed. I've used some cheap end links on my friends Camry and Moog all around for my 1998. Grease'em up about a year ago about 6K miles ago. Gonna grease em again but they are all tight and solid. Even on my other car where I know the end links are worn, they don't wiggle under load (say car is on ramps and I'm under it) unless I really go at them and they move just a tad bit.

Some people might let these stuff go because it is 'normal' for a car this age and a tough call for their image to the client. It's kind of a fine line really. They don't want to sound like they want all your money because 'everything is bad' from age/miles (i.e. bushing are worn, struts bad, oil leak everywhere b/c seeping, excessive belt dust, brake fluid hasn't been change etc) vs not saying anything and making like they don't care about your car(i.e. leaks around VC, ps hose seeping around metal line, tires are old, but client isn't complaining, so it's OK). Also, sometimes they don't tend to say anything unless it is major to prevent anxiety with the customer such as maybe a cracked power steering rack and pinion boot. Customer might get freaked out and refuse to drive when really it isn't a major deal at all - at lease for me. Sometimes you need to specify (i.e. please check for any kind of leaks - landlord is concern about pavement leaks) for them to look and let you know about *anything*.
 

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Dropped it off at a reliable place that I know. Heard back. Seems everything is fine with the suspension (and they did not say anything about the links). I will ask when I go for pickup. They recommended alignment (I told them I got it a week ago so they said take it back there). Its Firestone, so another visit there soon.

(Btw, some kudos to this place. They did list the things I know need fixing. Unlike the other inspections, this one mentioned exact items I know I was planning on and I had ordered parts already).

I will post back what the tech says about the rear links part.
 

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Update. Got the car back. "Noted all suspension is still in good shape. There are no recommendations at this time". Talked to tech. It pulls left and suggested I go back for alignment. "If Firestone cannot get this right, then take it Just Tires down the road." The technician needs to drive the vehicle after alignment. "Does he do that". No, it comes down from the rack to parking spot ready to go. "Oh, the guy at Just Tires test drives it and makes any adjustments. He will dial it in, just leave car there for couple hours."

As for the link, he said there some movement but it is not considered play enough to be "broken". "Just get an alignment" and you are good to go.

Hmm. Another trip to firestone it is. This time I will show both receipts from my regular mechanic and this shop.
 
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