[yota]

I need more power. I just completed all my suspension work for the time being. Tokico Blues, Ground Control Coilovers, Strut Tower Bar, Rear Sway Bar. I have 16x6.5 04 Camry wheels with Azenis Sports. Taking a corner is awesome, it feels like im driving on rails. Only problem when im driving there is no possible way I can push the car to its limits. Now i just want my car to go faster. I just needed to vent!

:spamo:

 

[CamNub]

........
It seems like you know about cars...
So why have you not considered turbo or s/c?

 

[yota]

........
It seems like you know about cars...
So why have you not considered turbo or s/c?

I've considered both but wanted to start with my suspension and smooth out the exterior ( the camry needed alil help IMO). I am still in the process of debating on what I want to do with the motor. Tough decisions.

 

[kevganzon]

I believe in force induction if you want REAL power. You'll get more from a supercharger vs. a turbo in a Camry. I love turbo's (got one on my MKIV supra) but for a Camry go with a TRD supercharger. :thumbup:

 

[SmokingTires]

Well the first thing I will say is getting a Turbo or Supercharger would be the biggest mistake you could make.

If you are really serious about having a good performance engine, those will be the last things that you do. First of all you should get all forged internals. Port out your heads and intake manifold. Get a larger MAF. Headers are the solution to your lack of torque (All imports have it).


Don't skip steps. Build the engine before you think about force induction.

 

[Ne0z31]

Agreed, for example, if you have a car that comes stock with a turbo, you arent going to go and immediately upgrade the turbo to a t72 turbo or something... your gonna get the FMIC, Injectors, Fuel Pump, ECU, Internals, Exhaust System... gotta make baby steps before you can make the leap...

I ordered the Supra TT MAF, and now need Emanage, which i would need anyways if i was to get my Sportivo Concepts Turbo Kit when it comes out... :

 

[kevganzon]

Well supras can hold up to 980 rwhp all stock internals(as seen on Turbo mag. March '04 issue)....untouched! but yes, its a given you need a FMIC, larger fuel injectors, ECU, larger piping (such as downpipe,intake manifold, IC lines, exhaust manifold)-for more flow, etc....adding a turbo charger set at the right boost and tuned with the right engine management system will set you straight. but for a CAMRY a supercharger is the safest and simplest way to go my friend. Looks to me your setting ur car up for a more sporty ride. Unless your looking into serious 1/4 times on a drag strip i suggest use another platform not a sedan.

 

[yota]

I know what needs to be done to the motor to make more power. (My integra was running mid 14's, not a bad jump from the stock 15.9) It just kinda sucks to have this great handling car with not enough power. I need to decide, make the money, and find the time and patience to work on the motor now. Its really hard to believe how many options there are to make power with a camry. Coming from a teg i never thought that a camry could ever be fast.

O ya I have the 5sfe.

:spamo:

 

[kevganzon]

I have the same 5sfe. With regards to upgrades...what it all comes down to is.....You can make a Camry only go as far as your wallet goes

 

[Tony the Tiger]

When it comes to handling, Supras are a ton lighter than almost all Camry's and can handle far better.

When did the Camry weigh 3500+ lbs?

The 92-96 Camry V6's weigh in about 3200 lbs curb weight, and the 97-up, give or take 50 lbs.

My Camry V6 LE weighed 3110 lbs on the scale at the track. Only weight reduction were lighter wheels and removed spare and jack. 3/4 full gas tank

I see most MKIV Supras on the Supraforums weigh in 3500-3600 lbs at the track...

Don't be suprised that a Camry can cream the Supra at AutoX.... That is also where RWD does not appear to have a huge advantage over FWD.

 

[kevganzon]

Pls. consider the car has 4 passenger seats vs. 2 seats in a Supra(w/rear seats removed) and unnecessary weight. Not to diss my Camry but personnally, i just prefer to keep my daily driver Camry on the street than at the track.
On a track, FWD is too much for two front tires. IMO, RWD handles better and more aggressively around turns than FWD. I dont know any sane racer who would chose a Camry vs. a Supra. A Supra's superior top end power is unmatched (Vipers, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porshe's only try).

Here's proof of the Supras uncanny ability over the exotics:

http://www.speedcraving.com/extreme/rollons.wmv

 

[Luckynumber5]

errr are you sure you dont have that number mixed up with anything else? i know i have ready that the camry is 3200lbs at most

 

[88 LE]

Go to the driver side door on the bottom side, you will see the factory curb weight of a Toyota Camry.

From the factory a 4-cyl 01 Camry is 4180 lbs. not incld. driver.

Thats with the car fully loaded.

 

[Tony the Tiger]

Go to the driver side door on the bottom side, you will see the factory curb weight of a Toyota Camry.

From the factory a 4-cyl 01 Camry is 4180 lbs. not incld. driver.

Pls. consider the car has 4 passenger seats vs. 2 seats in a Supra(w/rear seats removed) and unnecessary weight. Not to diss my Camry but personnally, i just prefer to keep my daily driver Camry on the street than at the track.

The number at the bottom of the door is a fully loaded vehicle with 4 passengers. That number you see is not the vehicle weight.

Vehicle weight is often referred to as curb weight. That is the weight of the car with it carrying all necessary fluids, but no passengers.

Curb weight of the Camry is listed as 3150-3200 lbs for a 1992-96 Camry V6 LE. The curb weight for the MKIV Supra is listed between 3450-3550 lbs (varying between auto and 6spd).

You own a Supra right? How come you are not familiar with the specs of your car? Perhaps a new owner?


Links to the Supra curb weight:
http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/93_brochure/1993promo.jpg

http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport.cfm/vehicle_nmb/100014224/section/specs


Link to the Gen4 Camry V6 curb weight:
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport.cfm/vehicle_nmb/100016665/section/specs

The doors, seats, etc.. are nothing when it comes to making a vehicle heavy. 60% of the weight on most cars come from the engine and transmission. The Supra has an iron I6 block, 6spd transmission and a huge rear diff. Those things alone, are probably like 20 doors and 50 seats

 

[Luckynumber5]

hey Tony, how does that transmission feel? how did the IPT build change its feel?

 

[YOTA_Power]

But forged internals??? Can i use these ?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7926271049&category=33623

hope that link works.ANd what about spings rods valves where can we find them .What can i do with the stock cams and bearings.

Sorry about changing the subject.

 

[MadDawg]

are you sure you can put 3sgte internals into a 5sfe engine?

 

[LWF]

i dun think so.................if it does that person would put it in the auction too, so more ppl will bid the pistons, n BTW, aint 5s-fe 2.2???I just look @ it theorically........

correct me if i am wrong....

 

[88 LE]

But forged internals??? Can i use these ?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7926271049&category=33623

Won't work. The pistons are to small.

Bore on a 3S is 3.39"/86mm. 5S is 3.43"/87mm.

ANd what about spings rods valves where can we find them .What can i do with the stock cams and bearings.

Rods: Crower or Pauter.

Cams: Web Camshafts.

Bearings: Toyota or check with Clevite.