My 3s-gte Alltrac is finally running!

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white90dx

Discussion Starter · Nov 12, 2012

And here's the proof:

Still gotta do the intake/intercooler/exhaust piping at my buddies shop. Hopefully that starts this weekend. Oh, and button up a few little odds and ends here and there. My immediate to-do list is down to just a couple things - soon I'll be driving it!

-Charlie

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da_horse

· #2 · Nov 13, 2012

HELL YEAH! that's awesome Charlie!

atobe

· #3 · Nov 13, 2012

oh man so jelly. I haven't had any time to work on mine at all. I need to do the wiring and pipings still.

'88 All-Trac

· #4 · Nov 13, 2012

WOO!! Go Charlie!

Damn that fired right up, too. Did you rebuild the engine before the swap or is it just in fan-freaking-tastic shape?

camrygt4

· #5 · Nov 13, 2012

Congratulations!! I still remember the first time I started my alltrac after the 3sgte swap. Its pretty satisfying when it fires up right away like that. Its taken you along time to get that thing going I know for a fact it will be worth all the pain and suffering. Good luck with your Alltrac, I just put mine up for sale last week.

white90dx

Discussion Starter · #6 · Nov 13, 2012

'88 All-Trac said:
WOO!! Go Charlie!

Damn that fired right up, too. Did you rebuild the engine before the swap or is it just in fan-freaking-tastic shape?

That was technically the third time the motor started since it was put in the car... the first two were just a couple minutes before that video. It does start up like that every time though... Before that, I put in a total of about 90 seconds of cranking (spaced out over a while) to get the oil flowing and debug two small issues with the wiring (loose ground at the fender and an unplugged connector under the dash). Its been about two years since the motor last ran.

This is the same motor I put about 10k miles on in my old FWD 3s-gte Camry. The only work on the motor I did this time was sealing the flywheel bolts (they leak without sealant...) and fluids. Everything else was in good shape still. Before I put it in the last Camry, I did F/R main seals, Cam seals, timing belt, water pump, ignition components, clutch, flywheel, etc... I also did a new power steering pump, high pressure line and steering rack while the motor was out. Oh, and fixed the door wiring, added a boost gauge... ummm... You know, a few little things. :lol:

I can't wait to get a few videos of the car driving...

-Charlie

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Grego 92

· #7 · Nov 13, 2012

:thumbsup: :clap:

'88 All-Trac

· #8 · Nov 13, 2012

white90dx said:
That was technically the third time the motor started since it was put in the car... the first two were just a couple minutes before that video. It does start up like that every time though... Before that, I put in a total of about 90 seconds of cranking (spaced out over a while) to get the oil flowing and debug two small issues with the wiring (loose ground at the fender and an unplugged connector under the dash). Its been about two years since the motor last ran.

This is the same motor I put about 10k miles on in my old FWD 3s-gte Camry. The only work on the motor I did this time was sealing the flywheel bolts (they leak without sealant...) and fluids. Everything else was in good shape still. Before I put it in the last Camry, I did F/R main seals, Cam seals, timing belt, water pump, ignition components, clutch, flywheel, etc... I also did a new power steering pump, high pressure line and steering rack while the motor was out. Oh, and fixed the door wiring, added a boost gauge... ummm... You know, a few little things. :lol:

I can't wait to get a few videos of the car driving...

-Charlie

I had completely forgotten this was in your 2wd before it went into this one...

Space cadet move on my part.

Get us some driving vids as soon as it's buttoned up!

mcx

· #9 · Nov 14, 2012

impressive stuff....i'm stuck to this thead!!

nogard

· #10 · Nov 14, 2012

Nice work :thumbsup: I spaced that one too, I always thought your All-Trac was sporting a 3S-GTE. Now it will kick a** the way Toyota should have intended it to from the factory!

You know there were a lot of cars/trucks that Toyota had better engine options to put into them, I don't know why they never did...they could of had some real monsters. This is one fine example.

white90dx

Discussion Starter · #11 · Nov 14, 2012

nogard said:
Nice work :thumbsup: I spaced that one too, I always thought your All-Trac was sporting a 3S-GTE. Now it will kick a** the way Toyota should have intended it to from the factory!

You know there were a lot of cars/trucks that Toyota had better engine options to put into them, I don't know why they never did...they could of had some real monsters. This is one fine example.

I know... nobody would have bought a $30k Turbo Camry Alltrac. It would get ~20mpg and cost almost 3x the price of a base model. Performance cars just don't sell well with 'normal' people. Performance sedans were the only available from the Germans at that time.

Keep in mind that they only sold about 2500 '90-'93 Celica Alltracs in all of America - and they had trouble selling those. Compare that to about 250,000 plain vanilla Camrys PER YEAR for the gen2 Camry...

And to keep the thread going. Exhaust is ordered and I'll be ordering pipes for the intercooler today. With Thanksgiving coming up, it'll be at least a few weeks before its on the road though.

-Charlie

PS. I just realized that the BRZ/FRS sells for less and has the same horsepower as the ST185 Celica Alltrac. Wow...

atobe

· #12 · Nov 14, 2012

Are you doing FMIC or A/W one ?

white90dx

Discussion Starter · #13 · Nov 15, 2012 (Edited)

atobe said:
Are you doing FMIC or A/W one ?

Front mount...

-Charlie

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da_horse

· #14 · Nov 15, 2012

haha that looks bloody sweet!

I wish we could get alltracs over here

atobe

· #15 · Nov 15, 2012

let me know of the dimensions of the IC and how you're routing it.. seems like have to get like 25x7-11x2/3 or something in that range ?

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'88 All-Trac

· #16 · Nov 15, 2012

white90dx said:
PS. I just realized that the BRZ/FRS sells for less and has the same horsepower as the ST185 Celica Alltrac. Wow...

Yeah, but it doesn't have the immense satisfaction of a turbo slamming into the small of your back nor is it AWD...

I know quite a few people who would've payed $30k for a factory 3S-GTE Camry All-Trac.

I believe that the 3S-GE should have been standard in them myself- it's much more suited to the higher engine speeds that come from the short-geared transmissions. Wouldn't have cost much more, either... Was already a smog-approved engine.

white90dx

Discussion Starter · #17 · Nov 15, 2012

atobe said:
let me know of the dimensions of the IC and how you're routing it.. seems like have to get like 25x7-11x2/3 or something in that range ?

Its this one from CX Racing:

http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchan...&Product_Code=IC0044-275&Category_Code=IC25CO

Good eye on the core size, its 25"x8"x2.75". It might fit just a little different with the US headlights. I shaved a bit off the bottom trim on the headlights, a little off the center latch support and a lot off the bumper beam. I also have the '91 front valence now, so that changes things just a bit.

The intercooler has rear outlets, and the core is the full width of the A/C condenser, which is nice. I'll make sure to take a few good pictures of the pipe routing.

-Charlie

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white90dx

Discussion Starter · #18 · Nov 15, 2012 (Edited)

'88 All-Trac said:
Yeah, but it doesn't have the immense satisfaction of a turbo slamming into the small of your back nor is it AWD...

I know quite a few people who would've payed $30k for a factory 3S-GTE Camry All-Trac.

I believe that the 3S-GE should have been standard in them myself- it's much more suited to the higher engine speeds that come from the short-geared transmissions. Wouldn't have cost much more, either... Was already a smog-approved engine.

Sounds like you haven't driven an FRS/BRZ. :hi:

My buddy with the Subaru shop (that has done a few 500+ WHP cars and one of his own cars is about 600 WHP right now) LOVES his BRZ and drives it every day. He'll probably like it more after the turbo kit is finished though. :lol:

-Charlie

atobe

· #19 · Nov 15, 2012

Thanks charlie, I was thinking of side in/outlet IC but lets see how yours work out.

dem2757

· #20 · Nov 16, 2012

white90dx said:
Sounds like you haven't driven an FRS/BRZ. :hi:

My buddy with the Subaru shop (that has done a few 500+ WHP cars and one of his own cars is about 600 WHP right now) LOVES his BRZ and drives it every day. He'll probably like it more after the turbo kit is finished though. :lol:

-Charlie

yea i have heard that NA the brz/frs is quite a sleeper in terms of capabilities. Similar to how the celica supra took the world by surprise. While the car does have to compete with more advanced cars of today, i bet that the turbo kit will make that car a monster.

you guys know the subie rides softer than the frs!?!? why? :wtf:

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