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I went to check your theory of the CD motor, and that is probably the first and last time I will ever use the CD player (why use one disk when the iPod holds everything). The sound is not the CD player. However, the sound is not consistent. When I went to try the CD player in the car, the system was not making any noise, but it also hadn't been used in a couple of hours. But I also know I heard it today after my 45 minute drive home, using the system. I'm going to start paying more attention to see when it does/doesn't make noise. (but that all really does make me think even more that it is a fan)
Like you said, it sounds like a cooling fan in the Entune system and I've heard it in my car too. It's not on all the time. Last time I heard it, I was using the GPS with the car in accessory mode.
 

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Having the latest maps isn't critical. Prior to getting my new SE I used an old GPS (no updates) from 2005, never led me astray.
 

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The non- premium nvi with Entune (6.1") has the maps stored on a SD CARD. The card is located to the left of the display screen. It is a 2GB regular SD card. No HDD for sure.
 

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The non- premium nvi with Entune (6.1") has the maps stored on a SD CARD. The card is located to the left of the display screen. It is a 2GB regular SD card. No HDD for sure.
This is incorrect. As previous covered by myself and others the maps are stored on an 8GB flash memory drive inside the extension module of the nav system. There is no SD slot at all anywhere on this nav model.
 

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Flash memory

The "flash" memory on the non-premium nav system is just a chip sitting on a circuit card inside the system chassis. These new memory chips are incredibly small. I have a 32 gigabyte flash drive on my keychain where the USB connector is larger than the entire flash drive. So, no moving parts, no removable (unless you have a soldering iron and a microscope) parts.
 

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The "flash" memory on the non-premium nav system is just a chip sitting on a circuit card inside the system chassis. These new memory chips are incredibly small. I have a 32 gigabyte flash drive on my keychain where the USB connector is larger than the entire flash drive. So, no moving parts, no removable (unless you have a soldering iron and a microscope) parts.
That's right. I have all my music stored on a 16GB flash memory that I use with the nav as I don't have an iPod and it works great and as you point out the case and connector is larger than the actual flash memory chip.

The diagram (actually a screen snapshot) that the person from Toyota e-mailed me showed that only the HDD nav has a hard drive that can be removed in order to "enhance serviceability" (their words), i.e. be replaced if it fails. My comment back to Toyota was that given the low price of flash memory it would have been a good idea to install a 16GB flash memory rather than the 8GB as even the DVD-based nav systems used prior to 2012 had a DL 8.5GB DVD. They said that the map data does not use all of the 8GB so there is room for expansion. When I checked the map data on the DVD I have for the Venza it uses a little less than 7GB of the 8.5GB DL DVD.
 

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The map database in my 2012 is getting very out of date - road construction, etc has changed a lot of the data since it was created. The date on my database is Oct 2010. Does anyone know when they're going to update? It's ridiculous that they haven't updated in such a long time. I'm willing to pay for an update, but my dealer says they haven't seen one.
 

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Go look for this other thread http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/310-7th-generation-2012/423107-navigation-worth-2.html#post4001826

I replied back in early Nov 2012: Just got an email from Toyota that I could get a
NAVIGATION
MAP UPDATE​
$169*​
MSRP​
which to me is UNBELIEVABLE with implied dealer installation costing even more. What are they thinking?! I could buy a new Garmin GPS usable in both my cars with lifetime maps for less than that plus my smartphone already has a GPS too. Maybe some Lexus buyers would fall for this but Camry owners, hard to believe anyone would pay over $50 and even then maybe once every 5 years or so. Get real Toyota ....

To add more fuel to that fire, after spending most of January in a rental car using my basic Samsung smartphone GPS & google maps, I do not see any reason to spend the money for built in Nav and the only reason I have it in our XLE is the rest of the car was 100% what we wanted, so rather than wait or pay for a dealer swap, we got the car a year ago w/basic Nav and Entune.


 

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Go look for this other thread http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/310-7th-generation-2012/423107-navigation-worth-2.html#post4001826

I replied back in early Nov 2012: Just got an email from Toyota that I could get a
NAVIGATION
MAP UPDATE​
$169*​
MSRP​
which to me is UNBELIEVABLE with implied dealer installation costing even more. What are they thinking?! I could buy a new Garmin GPS usable in both my cars with lifetime maps for less than that plus my smartphone already has a GPS too. Maybe some Lexus buyers would fall for this but Camry owners, hard to believe anyone would pay over $50 and even then maybe once every 5 years or so. Get real Toyota ....

To add more fuel to that fire, after spending most of January in a rental car using my basic Samsung smartphone GPS & google maps, I do not see any reason to spend the money for built in Nav and the only reason I have it in our XLE is the rest of the car was 100% what we wanted, so rather than wait or pay for a dealer swap, we got the car a year ago w/basic Nav and Entune.


Not sure $169 for a CD?

Do agree factory navigation does seem overpriced/unreasonable.... haha
 

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Went to a dealer today and bought the $169 DVD update that said it's for a 2011-2012 Camry - and others. When I tried to install it, the system gave me a response that said it was an invalid version. A service advisor, the "Hybrid" specialist tech, the service and the parts manager all tried to get it to work, Finally they looked up the system by VIN and determined that the HDD Nav system is different and has to be updated in a different way.

The way they do the new HDD nav system is via the USB port with updated data on it. They keep the USB drive and you purchase an "authorization card". The update is not yet available for my system according to the parts manager.

I think it's a shame (perhaps a rip-off) that a vehicle purchased last August already had a database that was almost a year out of date and it's going to be 2 years old before the next update is available (Fall '13). Of course they want us to PAY for that update. Garmin - for their NUVI and other systems offers the first update at no charge, subsequent ones are ~$80, or you can purchase a "lifetime" update service for ~$150 (less than 2-years stand-alone updates).

But, in general, factory sound systems and nav systems, etc are overpriced.
 

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2012 Premium HDD Navigation System Update

On 3/18/2013 I received the following e-mail from Toyota, which indicated that there is an update ti the HDD system:

Recently you contacted Toyota. Below is a summary of your contact message and our response.
Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you.

Subject 2012 Premium HDD Navigation System Update Discussion Thread Response Via Email (Jason)03/18/2013 05:17 AM Dear xxxxxxx

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A. Inc.

We appreciate the opportunity to address your inquiry today.

The latest version, 12.1, of the navigation system is currently available for purchase. The software is typically updated annually.

Please contact the Parts Department at your local Toyota dealership if you wish to purchase the updated software. Because Toyota dealerships are independently owned and operated, they are able to set their own pricing. Your local Toyota dealership will be able to confirm pricing prior to your purchase.

You may obtain contact information for dealerships in your area by visiting www.toyota.com/dealers.

If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us at http://www.toyota.com/help/contactus.html.

Sincerely,

Jason Aguallo
Toyota Customer Experience
 

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Display the HDD Map version

You can display the database version:
1) Press the “INFO/APPS” button to display the "Information" screen
2) Touch “Map Data”

The “Map Information” screen will be displayed showing the map version and ID.
 

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Has anyone successfully updated their Premium HDD Nav System?

I had queried Toyota Customer Service regarding the 2012 Premium HDD Navigation System Update. I then received an e-mail from "Jason Aguallo, Toyota Customer Experience" informing me :"The latest version, 12.1, of the navigation system is currently available . . ."

As I was due for a normal service, I requested that the update be performed. The Service Adviser, writing up the ticket, initially indicated that he didn't think there was an update, but said he would check with the technician. After some back and forth discussion it was determined that there was a "stick" available to perform the update. The update was "performed" -- unfortunately I didn't check the version until I got home and found that the version: 21-11-24 was dated 2011-06-01.

I again queried Toyota Customer Service (providing the above version and date) and asked for the specific version/date currently available. In response I received an e-mail from "Laura Valdez, Toyota Customer Experience Center" informing me: "The most recent version number is 21-11-24 with a date of 2012 . . . for the HDD navigation system".

I then called the local Toyota service center and discussed the issue with the Service Adviser. He indicated that the "stick" they have is not marked with that current version number and does not have a date, so I forwarded him the Toyota e-mail.

So, as of now I still have a 2 year old database . . . anyone out there have anything newer???
 

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I forgot to say that one of Toyota's owners manual links (click Navigation Manuals, then it's the third one on the list) 2012 Camry/Camry HV: Map database information and updates is broken.

That makes me suspicious that something has changed.

And is there anywhere I can find a download of the entire owners manual ? The numerous bits and pieces on Toyota's website is a pain - and probably incomplete.
I have a 2012 Camry Se. The dealers and Toyota all said Dvd. They finally realized I was right about the Usb update."I did find out that the Harmon system has a usb flash drive update. The part number is 86272-HDD07-00"---this is from the dealer. I tried to get Toyota to do the updaate as the car I believe shows a 2010 map. They refused..They kept saying the is an update you can buy. Hope this helps
 

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I have a 2012 Camry Se. The dealers and Toyota all said Dvd. They finally realized I was right about the Usb update."I did find out that the Harmon system has a usb flash drive update. The part number is 86272-HDD07-00"---this is from the dealer. I tried to get Toyota to do the updaate as the car I believe shows a 2010 map. They refused..They kept saying the is an update you can buy. Hope this helps
You are right that it is a USB flash drive update and not a DVD update as previous generation Toyota nav systems use.
 

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May want to wait

I just talked to someone in the parts department at my Toyota dealership and they told me the current map version is 12.1 and is $169. Toyota should be releasing ver 13.1 in Sept or Oct so you may want to wait a bit longer to get the most current release.
 

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I just talked to someone in the parts department at my Toyota dealership and they told me the current map version is 12.1 and is $169. Toyota should be releasing ver 13.1 in Sept or Oct so you may want to wait a bit longer to get the most current release.
$169 is still a lot of money for an update. A few years ago I asked my service department if they had an update for my 2006 Avalon. They said it was $250 for the CD. I politely told them that I wasn't interested at that price. I thought "What a *&^$%%^# ripoff!) As I didn't use my nav system very much, it wasn't on the top of my list for inclusion on my new 2013 Camry. I also have a Garmin Nuvi that I used occasionally. I broke that out and checked the date on the maps and went to their site. They have a one time, download, update for $50. Now, that is reasonable.
 
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