i assumed like everyone else he would be running open TB'smicro214_kp61 said:why does he need to use a MAP blacktop ecu when he's got an AFM equipped silvertop motor? :hammer:
And if you thought it was as simple as using the blacktop ECU to run open ITBs... think again... ;]jayboogie said:i assumed like everyone else he would be running open TB's
Parts needed to complete 20V installation in an AE92
This list is in no way complete but here are some major items you will definitely need before getting dirty and yanking your 16V unit out. (* AE111 ECU only, **AE101 ECU Only)
-Vacuum Sensor * (post 1990 Toyota Denso, Any Normally Aspirated)
-Air Temperature Sensor * (Post 1984 Denso Type)
-Air Flow Meter **(Specific to AE101 ECU, NOT... the 16V 4A-GE unit)
-4-Wire heated O2 Sensor (Zirconium based voltage unit) to replace the 16V's single wire O2 sensor
-OEM 20V AE111 ECU - (yes, blacktop and no, the 16V unit cannot be used for major requirement difference on the 4 throttle operation and fuel and timing MAPs, AE101 shown)
-Ignitor and Coil Assembly (Specific to 20V engines AE101/AE111 interchangeable, but NOT the 16V unit)
-20V 4A-GE Electrical Diagrams and AE86 Repair Manual (OEM)
-Pipes and Hoses, Elbows for water lines
-Wire harness or at least all sockets for sensors and 20V ECU.
-All VSV solenoids (AC and PS solenoids not required)
-Throttle cable from left hand drive ae92
-All actuators on the head and throughout the engine (ISCV, VVT) and sensors (TPS and Distributor Angle Sensor)
this. is what needs to be done... if you thought it was as simple as getting the engine and ECU... think again.
Kwanza said:And if you thought it was as simple as using the blacktop ECU to run open ITBs... think again... ;]
not google.com but club4ag and all that info is quoted from that guide... close, but thanks for the flame buddy!micro214_kp61 said:jayboogie... it's NOT as simple as you think running open ITBs on a silvertop... since you've been doing research already ask your buddy google.com about the wiring, maybe he'll enlighten you more...
Kwaza... my point exactly!
-jayboogieif you thought it was as simple as getting the engine and ECU... think again.
Here:jayboogie said:and i say that... where? :thumbdown
and further here:is it a swap into an ae86 or ae92? because you shall need a blacktop ECU even if the motor is a silvertop.
I don't mean this as a flame or anything like that, but even with the information you posted, it doesn't even come close to the actual workload involved. You don't seem to know how to do it yourself, and are merely quoting club4ag... so it's like the blind leading the blind. I'm just clearifying that with as little words as possible.i assumed like everyone else he would be running open TB's
yes, my fault for assuming he would run open tb's but i originally wanted a 20v swap myself (before realizing california emissions codes ) and wanted to do so, so i've been reading a lot about it.Kwanza said:Here:
and further here:
I don't mean this as a flame or anything like that, but even with the information you posted, it doesn't even come close to the actual workload involved. You don't seem to know how to do it yourself, and are merely quoting club4ag... so it's like the blind leading the blind. I'm just clearifying that with as little words as possible.
Don't worry bout it... I'm sure if he has full swap questions, he'll ask. As is, unless he's very good at DIY and electricals... it's gonna be a long hard swap. I know what you mean with California Emissions... luckily... I can deck out my 4AG as much as I want (my family owns a smog shop)... ;Djayboogie said:yes, my fault for assuming but i originall wanted a 20v swap myself (before realize california emissions codes )
i have talked to this guy Peter down here who drives an ae86 hatch (which he just totalled btw). and he did a whole 20v silvertop swap himself with open TB's... theres 3 cats in sac (that i know of) who have done 20v swaps, all in DoriSluts and all run open tb's. the only things he told me (through my friend) was this "MAP conversion".
knowing that it wasn't that simple i did my own research and stumbled upon the club4ag tech page (im also a member there).
i see your point, but i gave him the whole guide to look at, which is a lot better than anyone else would probably do for him... and something that seems to be a complete reference, which will be evident if you visit the page. its a lot better than letting him fetch an ECU and then realizing that shit doesnt click... my point was, i never said anything was easy. you now get a :thumbup: