Toyota Nation Forum banner

1 - 20 of 73 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
38 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I'm planning on buying an 06 civic Si next year...but i would LOVE to get my hands on a redesigned Toyota Celica...
Anybody even "heard" and rumors on this? I live in Canada, so we have no Scion brand, there-for nothing toyota offer's here is even close...and correct me if i'm wrong, but the celica is disco'ed for the 06 model year?

I'm a toyota man, but i'd love a new 06 Si. What i really liked about the ceilica, was the 6spd 1.8 w/180 hp and 8,000rpm redline. Any chance there will be a redesign of this motor with even more power?

Thanks!
-mark
 

·
CRESSIDA!!!
1984 Toyota Cressida
Joined
·
5,632 Posts
Japan and other countries still get the Celica (and MR2 Spyder), but NA doesn't. A shame. It might come back, though, so let's wait & see.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
6,059 Posts
Celica has been discontinued and it will never be back.
 

·
Iron Chef IV
Joined
·
730 Posts
How do you it will never be back? I know that it was discontinuted, but I still think Toyota will bring it back. Although they are not known for bringing back old names ....well, except for the FJ.
 

·
Moving Forward
Joined
·
3,144 Posts
It is like other people has said the MR and Celica were continued in other countries. SO technically there is a possibility they could reintroduce a Celica or another version of the MR here. As for the FJ havent they had a version of it in other countries since the as long as the land cruiser has been around.
 

·
Toyota Fanboy
Joined
·
4,486 Posts
Basically the Scion tC replaces the Celica. I know some of you will say, "thats not a fitting replacement for the Celica!!!" Maybe so, but thats the way it is. :dunno:
The sales of the Celica have been poor in recent years, so Toyota is doing whats best for business and cutting out the deadwood.
Toyota still makes the Corolla XRS, Matrix XRS and Scion tC, which have similar performance as the Celica GT-S, so its not like you dont have any sporty options.
 

·
Cressida Whore
Joined
·
435 Posts
Wait one second. Toyota said on their website, "legends arent forgotten, they are revived" or something like that in the FJ minisite, so how do we know that the Supra, Cressida, Celica, MR2 wont be "revived"?
 

·
Needs To Speed
1994 Camry
Joined
·
296 Posts
i never liked the celica, but that gt-s engine is great. hands down.:clap:
 

·
TN's Pilot in Command
1999 Lexus RX300 AWD
Joined
·
371 Posts
i thought the Mark X was "newer version" of the Cressida. or that it replaced it.
 

·
Registered
2006 Tacoma TRD SP
Joined
·
110 Posts
The Supra is being revived. Hold on to your hats.
 

·
'10 XRS (05 & 09 XRS RIP)
2010 Corolla XRS
Joined
·
1,570 Posts
I loved the Ceilca. But unfortunately it wasn't a big seller. Doubt you'll see it back in NA this decade when other alternatives exist (ie: prospect of bringing a vibrant Scion brand to Canada is more likely than Celica reappearing).

/me crosses fingers!!!
 

·
TN の がしょう
2015 Camry XSE V6
Joined
·
7,756 Posts
BabyBlue said:
The Supra is being revived. Hold on to your hats.
Sorry, but I couldn't stop laughing at this. If you have some decent proof it's coming back, everyone is gonna :rolleyes:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
Everybody Has a Civic

2006 Manual Transmission tC $16740 160 hp 163 lb ft Stock
TRD Supercharger installed $ 4000 or less 60 hp 20 lb ft supercharger est.
Total Price $20740 220 hp 183 Total Power est.

The Si is a very competitive car but your going to spend the same money and get less horsepower and less torque.

We have done 2 supercharged tCs with a 3rd going on Monday. Both of the tCs that we have supercharged are eating up Acura RSX-S. And they have plenty of power, suspension, and braking options available from Scion and the aftermarket. Plus they aren't driving a car everybody and their brother is driving or will be driving.

I'm not saying the Si wounldn't be a good choice, but do a little research on www.scionlife.com you may find the tC is a better choice.

Jonathan Sexton
Scion South
Richmond, KY
www.scionsouth.net
[email protected]
800.688.6968
 

·
Official Acura Troll
Joined
·
1,292 Posts
ScionSouth said:
2006 Manual Transmission tC $16740 160 hp 163 lb ft Stock
TRD Supercharger installed $ 4000 or less 60 hp 20 lb ft supercharger est.
Total Price $20740 220 hp 183 Total Power est.

The Si is a very competitive car but your going to spend the same money and get less horsepower and less torque.

We have done 2 supercharged tCs with a 3rd going on Monday. Both of the tCs that we have supercharged are eating up Acura RSX-S. And they have plenty of power, suspension, and braking options available from Scion and the aftermarket. Plus they aren't driving a car everybody and their brother is driving or will be driving.

I'm not saying the Si wounldn't be a good choice, but do a little research on www.scionlife.com you may find the tC is a better choice.

Jonathan Sexton
Scion South
Richmond, KY
www.scionsouth.net
[email protected]
800.688.6968
conveniently forgot to mention the better gearing on the Si along with the lighter weight. I love toyota's, but the tC is just a pig. It's like they couldn't decide whether to cater to people who want more practicality, or a more sporty car.
 

·
The good girl
Joined
·
559 Posts
^^ Eh that's all good info if you're a US resident. UncleJemima lives in canada and guess what, we don't get the Scions. I like the new civic, i'd go for a coupe and sad to say, but you can't go wrong with a honda, it will give you a better sporty feel than the corolla (that's my opinion, mom has an 03 rolla S and I hate it)...
 

·
TN Member
Prius
Joined
·
5,461 Posts
and it's cheap... $25,880.. not a bad price for a coupe with 197hp, 0-60 in 7ish secs, 17" alloys, LSD, black suede interior with front sport seats, leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob (that's from the TSX), power moonroof, rear spoiler (looks tacky though) etc etc.

Now, where's the Civic Si fighter?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
If the tC is a pig then the Si is it's big boned cousin tC 2905 lbs vs. Si 2877 lbs = 28 lbs difference. In my opinion the tC's two major weak spots are a high center of gravity (panaramic sunroof) and lack of an LSD.

Gearing on the tC is pretty short, in fact it may be to short. With 163 lb ft of torque at 4700 rpms an extra gear would only be for mpg, cause it pulls pretty strong in the taller gears from lower speeds stock. With the supercharger downshifting is very optional at most speeds.

As far as the Canada thing goes, can't help you there.:) The tC is good car but not worth changing nationalities over. If the Si probably doesn't have much competition there, so I would go for it, but down here I wouldn't want to be like everybody else.

Jonathan
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
6,059 Posts
That is how the automotive industry goes, competition brings out better and better products trying to outdo the other. None of the previous generation Si could touch the current Corolla XRS both in straight line and around race track performance (00 or 03 onwards) and now Honda stepped and they got the better product now and Toyota needs to come up with a good sporty compact car that can outdo the Civic Si and maybe even move into the WRX or Evo territory since those are really Imprezzas and Lancers underneath. Still the new Civic is just too ridiculous looking with a soap dish look.

Corolla XRS is the closest as a competitor when it comes to stock performace. Granted XRS has 27 less hp than the Si, it still is the Celica GTS engine (tuned differently for more low end power) while Si has the RSX Type S engine with 5 less HP and 3 ft lbs less torque and 80 lbs heavier. They were both the closest competitors. Now Corolla XRS weighs close to 250 lbs less than the Civic Si (2650 lbs vs 2880 lbs) and makes it's peak torque at only 4400 rpm as opposed to 139 ft lbs on Si at over 6000 rpm. XRS is also $2000 cheaper than the Si. In a real life test, XRS is marginally slower to the quartermile than the Si by 0.1 - 0.2 and XRS is faster to 60 than Si (because second gear on the Si is too short and must be shifted at 54 mph to third costing a half a second), but gives much better gas mileage. Suspension setup on the XRS is already tuned very aggressively with strutbraces at front and back suspension, Michelin performance summer tires, stifer shocks, 16 inch alloy rims, coils and springs and a heavier steering column. However, handling wise the LSD on the Si is a very handy feature especially when running on the race track.


Tideland Prius said:
and it's cheap... $25,880.. not a bad price for a coupe with 197hp, 0-60 in 7ish secs, 17" alloys, LSD, black suede interior with front sport seats, leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob (that's from the TSX), power moonroof, rear spoiler (looks tacky though) etc etc.

Now, where's the Civic Si fighter?
 

·
TN Member
Prius
Joined
·
5,461 Posts
Indeed. Don't forget another of the XRS' selling factor - it's a roomy 4-dr sedan with a proper boot. The Civic Si has a smaller rear seat than last year's. The Si is only $1,435 more expensive, not $2,000 hehe. Also the Civic Si has side airbags and side curtain airbags.

But you know what? The Corolla's another year away. We'll see what Toyota can come up with and whether Honda will make an Si sedan to compete. Also, the Sentra is getting redesigned next year right? Maybe there'll be another SE-R Spec V.

I hope Toyota sticks with this engine or maybe bore/stroke it to 2 litres. It's a good engine.
Also hope that it'll come with a more aggressive bodykit to distinguish it even further from the Sport model.
 
1 - 20 of 73 Posts
Top