A past post stated that the Avalon & Camry are dead. Keep guessing. The new Camry will come out as a 2007 model and the new Avalon is coming out as a 2005MY. The Avalon will go on sale in early 2005. Be ready for it to distinguish itself from the Camry. Beef up the engine, dual exhaust, stronger stance. Think Maxima on steroids. Worth waiting for.