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I would love to know why Toyota continues to make all of these great standard features for Corolla, yet snubs the Camry, which I own and paid more money for!?!? It really pisses me off when I see the 2017 Corolla's come out with standard features such as lane keep assist and radar cruise, yet I would have to pony up a ton more money to get these features in my Camry! Even the Corolla has standard LED headlights, where my 2016 Camry did not. Why am I paying MORE for a car, only to get less features than compared to its cheaper counterpart????? I feel completely snubbed and it makes me question whether I'll continue giving my money to Toyota for future car purchases.
 

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The average Corolla driver needs these features WAY more...

Seriously some of the absolute worst drivers in my area.

That said, expect to see lots of new features on the new '18 Camry. The '15-'17 were mostly updated to ride out the current platform/technology while they go back to the drawing board.
 

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Imo the Corolla's segment is more competitive than mid size family segment and overall even new cruz and focus are nicer cars than the Corolla, so you need something to attract buyers, especially younger buyers. The new Civic is kicking rolla's ass big time, so they needed something to bring the buyers back. The present Camry's prices are so low, that ppl gonna buy them no matter what and most ppl wont buy a loaded with technology Camry anyway, cuz of higher price. Most of us bought a Camry cuz it's a good reliable and cheap transportation and wouldn't pay extra for some high tech stuff.
 

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I currently have a 17 camry se and my daughter has a 16 Carolla s.

If I had a choice between the 2, I'd pick the camry 100 times. The camrys transmission is light years better than the Carolla. The power in the camry is much more preferable to the Carolla as well as the size of the camry. While the new Carolla may have more standard features, it would in no way convince me to make the switch from my camry. The only thing I'd say I like better about the Carolla than the camry is, you can adjust the seat alot lower than you can in the camry. For us taller people it's nice, but not a deal breaker for me.

My guess is, like someone else said, these will be standard on the 18 camrys. Or at least in the higher trims. For me I don't think safety sense is all that necessary outside of keeping insurance costs down.
 

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I have a 14 Corolla le and a 2014.5 Camry XLE. The difference between the two cars is night and day. The Corolla is very cheep feeling and the power off the line is just not there. The noise levels between the two cars is also night and day. With the Corolla there is significant road noise when at speeds above 40 mph. It is basic transportation with some electronic features. That is it. The safety sense is really nothing to write home about and personally I would rather have the control over the car rather then have it brake for me or beep like crazy if I go over the line. I may be doing that on purpose to avoid an accident or an object in the road.

Now the Camry is much more powerful and light years ahead in terms of comfort and noise. I have had an 05 07 and this receipt one. This one is the quietest of the bunch. To me it is as quiet as some of the older Lexus. It also feels well built. Wish I got the 6 cylinder but I could not justify the price tag. The 2.5 is powerful enough to get you in trouble. I wish the Camry came with the led lights from the Corolla. That was easily solved b a hid kit


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I don't understand why Y'all depend on or even need all these safety features .... for example a few would be lane departure warning, blind spot detections or radar cruise control, back up camera.

These thing were non-existance or limited to high end vehicles roughly 10 years back.

We all learned how to drive safely in cars without ABS [might need this in modern vehicles] but other things, we all can check our own blind spots or look back to back up our vehicles or even know how to keep in our lane.

What if one day all these feathures fail ... it'll be like drive like a 90's car or 80's car [Basic concept of driving a vehicle]
 
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I don't understand why Y'all depend on or even need all these safety features .... for example a few would be lane departure warning, blind spot detections or radar cruise control, back up camera.

These thing were non-existance or limited to high end vehicles roughly 10 years back.

We all learned how to drive safely in cars without ABS [might need this in modern vehicles] but other things, we all can check our own blind spots or look back to back up our vehicles or even know how to keep in our lane.

What if one day all these feathures fail ... it'll be like drive like a 90's car or 80's car [Basic concept of driving a vehicle]
Have to agree. Only thing I really do like, and I think actually works very well is the traction control and vsa in my camry. These are pretty much standard in all cars nowadays though.
 

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I don't understand why Y'all depend on or even need all these safety features .... for example a few would be lane departure warning, blind spot detections or radar cruise control, back up camera.

These thing were non-existance or limited to high end vehicles roughly 10 years back.

We all learned how to drive safely in cars without ABS [might need this in modern vehicles] but other things, we all can check our own blind spots or look back to back up our vehicles or even know how to keep in our lane.

What if one day all these feathures fail ... it'll be like drive like a 90's car or 80's car [Basic concept of driving a vehicle]

What most don't understand is that ABS only allows you to steer in panic situations and does not make you stop any quicker. As far as blind spot monitoring it only really helps when you are driving larger SUV with a ton of " blind spots". There is really no use for this in a Camry or Corolla since if you adjust your mirrors properly and actually use them, you don't have a blind spot. Back up cameras are really useful when parallel parking if you want to get into a tight spot. Other then that it is questionable.

On a lighter note, I learned how to drive on an Aerostar. No backup camera and very top heavy. Sluggish as hell. Had less then 150 hp with a 181 cu in v6! Damn thing was a carbureted bitch and would never stay running. Ohhhh how we far we have come


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I don't understand why Y'all depend on or even need all these safety features .... for example a few would be lane departure warning, blind spot detections or radar cruise control, back up camera.

These thing were non-existance or limited to high end vehicles roughly 10 years back.

We all learned how to drive safely in cars without ABS [might need this in modern vehicles] but other things, we all can check our own blind spots or look back to back up our vehicles or even know how to keep in our lane.

What if one day all these feathures fail ... it'll be like drive like a 90's car or 80's car [Basic concept of driving a vehicle]

What most don't understand is that ABS only allows you to steer in panic situations and does not make you stop any quicker. As far as blind spot monitoring it only really helps when you are driving larger SUV with a ton of " blind spots". There is really no use for this in a Camry or Corolla since if you adjust your mirrors properly and actually use them, you don't have a blind spot. Back up cameras are really useful when parallel parking if you want to get into a tight spot. Other then that it is questionable.

On a lighter note, I learned how to drive on an Aerostar. No backup camera and very top heavy. Sluggish as hell. Had less then 150 hp with a 181 cu in v6! Damn thing was a carbureted bitch and would never stay running. Ohhhh how we far we have come


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You could also spend $10 and just get the blind spot mirrors. Probably work better and will save you thousands on the safety package
 

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My 2015 Camry XLE has Blind Spot sensors and the rear cross traffic sensors. They are critical and I would not get a car without them. I recently had a 2016 XLE loaner with all of the enhanced features. I didn't get a chance to use most of them but did find the lane departure alert system to be pretty annoying so I turned it off. I'm good with what my Camry has.
 

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My 2015 Camry XLE has Blind Spot sensors and the rear cross traffic sensors. They are critical and I would not get a car without them. I recently had a 2016 XLE loaner with all of the enhanced features. I didn't get a chance to use most of them but did find the lane departure alert system to be pretty annoying so I turned it off. I'm good with what my Camry has.
I don't know if I'd go as far to say they're critical. I've never had them and it's never been an issue. I will agree that they're probably very nice to have and going back to not having them would probably be difficult. There's millions of drivers on the road everyday that don't have these luxuries
 

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My 2015 Camry XLE has Blind Spot sensors and the rear cross traffic sensors. They are critical and I would not get a car without them. I recently had a 2016 XLE loaner with all of the enhanced features. I didn't get a chance to use most of them but did find the lane departure alert system to be pretty annoying so I turned it off. I'm good with what my Camry has.
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I can relate to your post above. When I ordered my 2016 XSE XSP, I opted to exclude the Blind Spot and Rear Traffic sensors. When the car was delivered to my local Toyota dealership, my sales guy informed me that those two options were included, at no extra cost to me. After driving with these systems since May, I really do appreciate them. The Blind Spot sensors just give you that extra piece of mind before changing lanes. I still always use the mirrors and look over my shoulder to be extra careful. People around here love to lane change without notice and unexpectedly at highway speeds. The Rear Cross sensors I've grown to love as well. Nothing like that extra piece of mind when backing out of a spot at in a parking lot or backing up any where else where your view is limited. For me, it has beeped well in advance of an approaching car, sometimes to the point that I think it is off, but sure enough, a few seconds later, a vehicle passes. I can do without the other tech features, but these two are definitely worth the cost to me.
 

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maybe think about what you really need....i thought the same as well but looking back a car is a car. didnt need gps cos i can just use my phone, waiting for car brands to really start taking on android auto, etc. im happy with my entry model, just made a few mods like changing light bulbs. gona b doing hid and changing tail lights soon
 

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People who don't understand the value of BSM/rear cross-traffic must have never had a car with it. Especially a little car like Camry. If I park next to you in a parking lot and another big vehicle on your other side, you are backing out of that spot blindly, albeit hopefully carefully. Still. The BSM sees things you are physically unable to.

Hating on technology...that mindset would still have us using horses for transportation.
 

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For older drivers, the BSM, RCTA and stuff in the AT package would probably be useful. I know my dad, who is getting older, wants those options in his next car, likely another TCH.
Correct ... when I had my 2011 SE, Toyota sent me a survey including options I wanted on my next car. BSM and rear view camera was my response.

My next Camry will have BSM, rear view camera, and brainfart stop assist :laugh:
 

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Having a 2017 Camry XSE loaded with all the safety features and being 67 years young, I need all the help in driving defensively. In 5-10 years, all of those safety features will be standard equipment in most cars. For cars without these features will be a harder sell in the future. Future customers will expect them in their purchase. At one time, people thought seat belts weren't needed. I just won't have an accident. Issue solved. Money saved.
 

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Some features are great to have, but not a must for a skilled driver.

I see a lot of Mercedes Benz drivers change lanes carelessly and cut people off even though the blind spot indicator is on.

I recently got my Lexus GS350, which has a backup camera, parking sensors and reverse tilt down mirrors. It makes parking soooo much easier than my Solara which has none of those features. I'm old school so I tend to use the side mirrors when backing up anyway.
 

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Having a 2017 Camry XSE loaded with all the safety features and being 67 years young, I need all the help in driving defensively. In 5-10 years, all of those safety features will be standard equipment in most cars. For cars without these features will be a harder sell in the future. Future customers will expect them in their purchase. At one time, people though seat belts weren't needed. I just won't have an accident. Issue solved. Saved money.
Yup ... dashcam will be mandatory soon as well.

On my 2015 XSE all I needed was BSM, backup cam, and V6 as the cheesy dual cutout in the rear diffuser wasn't appealing with one pipe. Everything else that came with the car is surprisingly welcome.
 

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When I purchased my 17 Camry XSE, the 1st accessory I added on my I4 was dual exhaust. The cost was $395. Didn't go any faster or save gas but it did look the part of an V6. Besides my other car is a drop top with 443hp when I need to put the pedal to the metal.
 
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