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My OEM BFG Rugged Trails are treadless at 45k. I'm planning on some Ivan Stewart wheels. My local dealer will pricematch at 200/wheel.

Now I need to decide on tires. I've done some research, but can't quite decide. My 4x4 access cab is my daily driver for a 15 mile one-way mostly highway commute. I don't off road. I do like a little more aggressive offroad look. Planning on 265 75 16 as I shouldn't have to trim.

Tires I'm considering:

BFG AT. I like the look of these and I think I might even be able to get black walls, which I'd prefer. They weigh a lot and I'm guessing I might regret the noise and stiffer ride. I can get them locally for around 200ea.

Bridgestone Revo 2.
I'm guessing the look will be less aggressive than the BFGs but ride better with less noise. Someone here recently complained about balancing and cracking problems. Overall they are well reviewed. My cost would be about 180ea.

Firestone Destination AT.
No Blackwell. Well reviewed. Look more aggressive than the Revos (?). Cost about 200ea.

Rugged Trails.
Yes, again. I know everyone hates them, but I had no trouble. We had tons of snow this winter and my job dictates tha I find a way to get there - no excuses. I counted over 80 cars in the ditch on my way in on Christmas day - but I was fine. I know that's not all tires, but it says something. I could get them for 140ea.

Any input appreciated.
 

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i just ran revos,265-65-17 for 45k and never have had a better tire...(my second or third set of revos and 5th or 6th set of at's)..i had always wanted to try a set of bfg at ko's and finally did...265-70-17, larger size...they ride harsher and seem to require more hp to get going and more brake to stop...and sure are 4x4 tires...the lift from the extra height is nice...i have run them about 400 miles and am getting used to them...they are still just not the same kind of tire as revos...they are just as good a tire, just different..got the 6 ply..the 265-65-17's only come in 10 ply...really didnt want that...i would think the 3 top contenders are revos, ltx at2, and bfg at ko's...not to start a shouting match, there are a lot of great tires..but those are the three i considered...good luck
 

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That's a pretty good list you have started... you've been doing your homework! I'm surprised you're considering BFG R/Ts if you live in snow country. I found them to be a decent tire, but poor in snow.

Your price on Firestones sounds a bit high... I seem to recall them being among the lower priced tires, and quite popular. Another one that's well-priced and a good (but maybe not great) tire is Cooper Discoverer ATR. Toyo Open Country AT looks interesting, but some reviews are not great.

For longevity (at a price), Michelin LTX AT2 is worth a look.

And for an aggressive tire, Goodyear Duratrac has been getting good comments.
 

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Thanks for the advice. Anyone have a good pic of the revos on a Tacoma? I'd like to see how they look up close compared to the BFGs and Destination ATs.

For the record - I'm in OK. I think of us as ice country. We get a fair bit of sleet and ice. This year the snow broke records though.
 

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i have the Destination AT on my truck and I love them. A friend of mine just put some of the MT on his truck. 200 is a bit steep for those unless thats mounted and balanced, then maybe. But i think i paid around 160 per tire and got a buy three get one deal.
 

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I just put a set of the BFG All Terrain T/A KOs on my '05 and they ride fine on the highway and city streets at the Toyota-recommended pressures. They don't seem noisy at highway speeds at all. They actually handle very well cornering, too, which surprised me because of the kind of square profile. I can't address the mileage on the Taco, yet, but I had some on a '94 F150 and they lasted well over 50k when I finally sold the truck, and they still had plenty of tread on them.

If you're not going to off-road and can give up the gnarly look, you will be really happy with the Michelins that Splicer recommended. My son has them on his '03 Taco Prerunner, and they are a fantastic street tire.
 

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Check out the Nitto Terra Grapplers also, i just put a set on my new 2010 DC, 265/70R17 and they are very good. They balanced out well and all 4 had Road force under 20 lbs. Only a slight bit of road noise compared to stock (crap) dunlops.
 

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I just put a set of the BFG All Terrain T/A KOs on my '05 and they ride fine on the highway and city streets at the Toyota-recommended pressures. They don't seem noisy at highway speeds at all. They actually handle very well cornering, too, which surprised me because of the kind of square profile. I can't address the mileage on the Taco, yet, but I had some on a '94 F150 and they lasted well over 50k when I finally sold the truck, and they still had plenty of tread on them.

If you're not going to off-road and can give up the gnarly look, you will be really happy with the Michelins that Splicer recommended. My son has them on his '03 Taco Prerunner, and they are a fantastic street tire.

This is the sort of info I'm interested in. I like the BFGs, and want to hear that they'll fit my needs. I'd love to try them on for a drive and see what they felt/sounded like. I'm very aware that I don't NEED an aggressive AT tire. But I really like the look and would like to find something that will give me that. Heck, looks wise I'd like to get a mud tire - but I need a reasonable ride and good wet/dry traction on a day to day basis.

Thanks for all the input. Keep the opinions coming. If anyone has pics that would be great.

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You've got NTB in Oklahoma, don't you? They used to have a "30-day ride guarantee." You'd have to read the fine print to make sure they don't charge you rent on the tires or something, but it might be a way to have a do-over if you ended up not liking the road feel. They used to carry Michelin and BFG. Not sure about the Nitto.
 

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You've got NTB in Oklahoma, don't you? They used to have a "30-day ride guarantee." You'd have to read the fine print to make sure they don't charge you rent on the tires or something, but it might be a way to have a do-over if you ended up not liking the road feel. They used to carry Michelin and BFG. Not sure about the Nitto.
Closest NTB is Wichita KS.

I've got Firestone, Goodyear, Big-o, Hibdon, and Discount Tire. Hibdon has $70 back on 4 Revos. With this they actually cost less than the Destination ATs.

I met my stepson today for a while - noticed he had Destination ATs on his F150. He's been very happy. I thought they looked fine. Not quite as aggressive as I'd like, but OK. Then I start looking around the parking lot and noticed someone with some Revos on. I think they are probably a great tire, but I don't think I'll be happy with the appearance. Another truck was on Goodyear Wranglers - that I think were silent armors. I liked them (looks wise) better than the Revos. I think they may be another reasonable option.
 

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Check out the Nitto Terra Grapplers also, i just put a set on my new 2010 DC, 265/70R17 and they are very good. They balanced out well and all 4 had Road force under 20 lbs. Only a slight bit of road noise compared to stock (crap) dunlops.
Yeah, I like the look of these alot. Had considered them a step below some of the others. I'm not doing a very good job of narrowing this down...
 

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Your price on Firestones sounds a bit high... I seem to recall them being among the lower priced tires, and quite popular. Another one that's well-priced and a good (but maybe not great) tire is Cooper Discoverer ATR. Toyo Open Country AT looks interesting, but some reviews are not great.

For longevity (at a price), Michelin LTX AT2 is worth a look.
Hey Splicer, I thought you decided the Coopers just weren't up to par with the other tires...especially with them wearing so fast and your slip/sliding around this winter.:D I really don't care for these in the snow (have them on our highlander).

And I have to ask why you think the Michelin LTX AT2 is pricey? When I went out and got tires, they were priced about the same as the Revo's and a lot less than the BFG AT KO that I ran previously. BFG AT KO was $209, Revo's were $171, and LTX AT2 were $179. So I'd say they're priced competitively with other tires like the Revos (but hopefully better mileage than the 30K-40K miles people were getting out of the Revos).

To the OP, if you're dead-set on the 265/75 size then you should list out the tire, price, and load rating in that size. You'll find the BFG AT KO (while I will always recommend this tire...except for price) only comes in a load range E in that size. For that reason right there, I'd drop it from the list.

So you'll want to see what your options are in that size among the other tires.

I will say I too found the rugged trails to handle well in the snow...until you got down to the last third of the tire where the outer tread wears down solid not allowing any slush/rain out. And until I had the BFG AT KO, I never knew how much my losing traction was due to those tires (in rain and on dry pavement).

I'm trying out the Michelin LTX AT2 now. While I thought the BFG AT KO tires were fairly quiet on the highway (same as Rugged Trails IMO), I had a rude awakening after getting the LTX AT2. These Michelin tires are WAY quieter than the BFG AT KO. I'd say the AT KO on a scale of 1 to 10 were an 8 noise-wise. The Michelin's are probably a 3 or 4. They handled well in the multiple snow storms we had in May (5 inches each), but I haven't tested them out in the deep stuff (like the 2 feet we had in December). I'll be posting an update next winter after we get the deep snow, but they do look like they have a pretty aggressive tread pattern for snow. So far I've been pleased with their handling on dry, wet, and snowy pavement. And yes, they have gotten a lot of off-Road use this summer already.
 

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Hey Moose, you're exactly right, that's why I said the Coopers are good but not great.... they wear kinda quickly (like Revos) and are somewhat disappointing in snow, but that aside, they have been okay, especially considering their cost. :D I'll probably run 'em one more winter and hope we don't get much snow.

As to the Michelins... it's been a while since I priced tires, but I seemed to recall them as being at the top of the range in cost. Their longer expected life should offset that -- in fact, Michelin has always been one of my favorites since my first set in 1966. When I had LTX A/Ts on our old Grand Cherokee, they tended to hydroplane, though. Sounds like your LTX AT2s are good so far!
 

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X2 on the Michelins. They are ranked #2 on tire rack. I like mine. Good on dry, wet, off road and snow roads and quiet. I don't run them in mud so can't tell ya how they are there. Usually a good mud tire is very noisy anyway. Purchased mine at Costco with $70 rebate. I never looked back.
 

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To the OP, if you're dead-set on the 265/75 size then you should list out the tire, price, and load rating in that size. You'll find the BFG AT KO (while I will always recommend this tire...except for price) only comes in a load range E in that size. For that reason right there, I'd drop it from the list.

So you'll want to see what your options are in that size among the other tires.

I will say I too found the rugged trails to handle well in the snow...until you got down to the last third of the tire where the outer tread wears down solid not allowing any slush/rain out. And until I had the BFG AT KO, I never knew how much my losing traction was due to those tires (in rain and on dry pavement).
I assume the problem with Load Range E is that it is a stiffer tire with a rougher/louder ride? Can anyone tell me why I can't find the load range on Tire Rack? They have the load and speed rating, but I don't see the A-E rating anywhere.

I saw this today:



I think it's an original revo. I didn't see the word revo on it anywhere. The pics of the revo 2 show it written in black on the sidewall. I'm wondering if the revo 2 looks any more aggressive than this?

Thanks

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If you search for tires by size on TireRack, you can select (on the left side of the page) several options as to brand, tire type, speed rating, and load range.

Also, the main body of the page shows a pic of each tire, along with price, availability, avg. rating, and load range.

Once you click on a particular tire, it doesn't show the load range but it does show the maximum inflation pressure... which you can then convert to load range.

Load range E shouldn't be any louder, but it will be stiffer. And heavier, which can make your shocks and brakes work harder, and have a slight effect on your fuel mileage.

Kinda hard to tell from your pic, but I don't think that's a Revo. The original Revo didn't look much different from the new Revo 2.
Dualer A/T D693:


Dualer A/T D695:


Revo 2:


Original Revo:
 

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If you search for tires by size on TireRack, you can select (on the left side of the page) several options as to brand, tire type, speed rating, and load range.

Also, the main body of the page shows a pic of each tire, along with price, availability, avg. rating, and load range.

Once you click on a particular tire, it doesn't show the load range but it does show the maximum inflation pressure... which you can then convert to load range.
Ahhh, found it. MOST of them have the load range. Some don't even have it there.

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