Excellent review. Glad to see the new Tundra getting a thumbs up and out-performing the others.
I was talking about these things specfically. I know the 5.4 is a dog. If the current F-150 "Payload Package" is now 8200 instead of 7700 so what? My point is that the F-150 can be optioned up to a 10.25 ring gear and other HD items, such as brakes.isaiah58 said:...
40MPH to a dead stop. The Tundra was about 10 feet shorter than any other truck. When we ran the same stop with a 3,500 pound trailer, the Tundra still outperformed every other truck by a good margin. Dodge was the worst.
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Gear's - the standard ring on the differntial (4.0l and 4.7l) is larger and heavier than any other out there, no matter what the upgrade. The on on the 5.7 liter set-up is by far as bullet proof as you will find
... This truck is technically a 1/2 truck that can comepete head on with 3/4 and 1 tons in ability.
If you take the same cab and bed configurations from each manufactuer with their biggest V8 and shortest gear, the tundra is up there mostly on top along with chevy. Example, all truck equiped with tow package, take the titan crewcab, 5.6 & f150 supercrew, 5.4 & chevy crewcab, 6.0 and compare them to the tundra crewmax with tow package, 5.7. Only the two newest truck are on top. Being the tundra has more hp and tq with that 6spd, no doubt it will tow better than the chevy. Like you said it ain't no better than the other half tons but the tundra does tow over 10k in every cab configurations like the chevy, unlike ford which drops to 9k+ as you go into the supercrew configurations. The ram don't technically have a crewcab halfton so it doesn't count, it's actually a extendedcab version like the current tundra doublecab.chakis24 said:did you go up against the vortec max or the standard 5.3? and thats pretty gutsy to say that the new tundra takes on 3/4 and one tons when its specs arent any better than the competitions half-tons. (those high figures on the tundra are for the regular cab)
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2007/tundra/specs.html
the other configurations are on par (within a few hundred pounds) or worse than the others.
I will have to see of any of the documents we have tells us how each of the trucks were equipped. I know they were as close as possible so we could have an hoest comparison.nikita said:How was the Ford equipped? Hate to quibble here on a Toyota site, but sometimes these comparisons sponsored by one manufacturer are "rigged" by underequipping the competition. Specifically, did the F-150 have the 7700lb GVW "payload package" , which includes a bigger rear axle, along with bigger brakes?
Nope, we drove 5.7s against the Dodge Hemi and the big engines on the others. All Double Cabs. One of the Tundra's was a 4x2, the others a SR5 4x4 and a Limited 4x4.HATEnFATE said:The Tundras that you drove should have been 4.7 liter engines. not 5.7's
The ones we drove were all 4.7's. The 5.7 wasn't on the lot, just indoors.
They drove 5.3 V8 in the chevy and 5.7 V6 in the Toyota.plane said:Yeah, that would be a big difference. The 6.0 far outpulls the 5.3. It would be very interesting to see exactly which Silverado version was tested.
Why would a V6 on a 4x4 "just would not work"? It has more hp and torque than my previous F-150 4x4 or the C1500 before that. How in the world is a 4Runner, or even a Tacoma going to carry 4x8 building matierials or an eight-foot, 1200lb cab over camper? Since I am at 6300 ft above sea level, 4x4 is desired. That is my "mission requirement" and heavy duty towing is not on it, as my utility trailer has a GVWR of 1500lb.isaiah58 said:Nikita, I am little confused about your comments. The V6 on a 4x4 just would not work, as far as what a full size truck is designed for. That is why they have the Tacoma, and the 4Runner.
I am not an engineer. If a V6 could handle the loads long term then I am sure it would be available on the 4x4 configurations. Apparently a V8 is capable of generating more torque cross the 4x4 system than a V6 can. V8 versus V6 (look at 4Runner for example) can carry over 2,000 more pounds trailer weight on otherwise identically equipped vehicles.nikita said:Why would a V6 on a 4x4 "just would not work"? It has more hp and torque than my previous F-150 4x4 or the C1500 before that. How in the world is a 4Runner, or even a Tacoma going to carry 4x8 building matierials or an eight-foot, 1200lb cab over camper? Since I am at 6300 ft above sea level, 4x4 is desired. That is my "mission requirement" and heavy duty towing is not on it, as my utility trailer has a GVWR of 1500lb.
Has the increased curb weight so bloated on the new Tundra, that the 4x4 model "needs" a V-8 to get out of its own way? This seems to be a common problem with the newer models from all mfgrs.
Hey, New on this forum because I am in the market for a new truck and like the looks of the New Tundra. I currently drive an '02 F250 Crew Cab with a Powerstroke Diesel and have two questions for you.isaiah58 said:The press, articles, and pictures do nothing to really convey how the all new Tundra really drives.
Our test drives, part of training, really showed me what this new truck is made of. We ran the D-Cab 5.7 against the competition: Ford, Titan, Dodge, Nissan and the new Silverado. Each truck had about 900 pounds of water in a container. Driver and 3 passengers on most runs.
0 - ??? - in the short distance we had, the Tundra was the only vehicle to break 50MPH (consistently). The Silverado came closest, but still well short. The Ford was terrible.
40MPH to a dead stop. The Tundra was about 10 feet shorter than any other truck. When we ran the same stop with a 3,500 pound trailer, the Tundra still outperformed every other truck by a good margin. Dodge was the worst.
Turns and evasive manuvers. Tundra was definately the most stable. Nissan has a lot to be desired. Maybe it can move a large load, but it is not built to control or stop with it.
Gear's - the standard ring on the differntial (4.0l and 4.7l) is larger and heavier than any other out there, no matter what the upgrade. The on on the 5.7 liter set-up is by far as bullet proof as you will find
Drivetrain - dual path intake, 6-speed tranny, this is what makes the truck perform, combined with the heavy duty gearing. This truck is technically a 1/2 truck that can comepete head on with 3/4 and 1 tons in ability.
My Powerstroke averages 11 miles to the gallon and about 15 on the highway on long trips so I don't expect the Tundra to do better (probably due to my driving habits). I use the truck as my personal car and to tow my track car on an open trailer (about 6000lbs). The F250 is a great tow vehicle with plenty of power and brakes. It is also very roomy in the inside.HATEnFATE said:Have you looked at the fuel economy of the 5.7 v8? it's not far off from the 4.0 v6 and better then the 4.7 v8 so really getting a v8 now isn't that big of a hinderance on fuel econ.
the New Tundra has plenty of room up front but thats something that is totally subjective person to person as is the available power from the truck. I'd say just stop by the nearest dealer and see what you think.
There are no realease dates on diesels and from what I head, thats not the market Toyota is after right now.