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I think it's a possibility but considering that there are no other Toyota's that are going to be using a BMW engine (except the new Supra which is being developed between Toyota and BMW), I still think the new Corolla engine will be from the new Toyota Dynamic Engine line. Only time will tell though. Or, another possibility is the BMW sourced engine is used in the SE or XSE models (which could mean than an XRS type trim might come back) and the new Toyota Dynamic Engine is used in the normal Corolla trims.
 

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On the topic of the 2018/2019 Corolla, there has been a test mule that was spotted recently. I'm pretty sure the body is not in it's final stages yet since it has some weird looking components on it such as the headlights:


Before we do assume that this is the North American model, it could be the Corolla Axio for Japan. The 11th gen Axio was released in 2012 so it would make sense that the new Axio is also released earlier than the US 12th gen Corolla. The BMW engine that is apparently going to be in one of the next generation Corolla's could also be a Japan exclusive option as well.

The Corolla hatchback or as we know it, the Corolla iM has also been seen recently testing for it's next gen model:



http://indianautosblog.com/2016/11/2019-toyota-corolla-tnga-based-spotted-first-time-246860
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/1607/2018-toyota-corolla-spy-pics
 

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I don’t think Toyota would jeopardize the reliability reputation of the Corolla, especially since the next generation will already be all new. They waited years to bring their CVT and Valvematic in North America.

Since the rumor is from India, it might be related to international market, where Toyota already uses some BMW engines – and vice versa when the new Mini came out. Toyota and BMW are also partners in the development of lithium-ion batteries. So the Supra isn’t an isolated case.

It’s not uncommon, even for major companies, to share the high costs of development as more and more different models are needed to please the market, hence lower volume for each. Like, for instance, the Toyota Aygo/Peugeot 108/Citroen C1, the Mazda2/Yaris sedan or Mazda’s hybrids with Toyota’s technology in Japan. It goes way beyond those old stories of Geo Prizm, Chevy Nova and Toyota Cavalier!

The next NA Corolla will probably be all in-house engineered… except maybe for some XRS type version. The small market for that car didn’t or wouldn’t justify large investments but a bargain BMW engine deal specific to that version would probably have reviewers salivating, beside some enthusiasts, hence doing wonders for marketing with the main versions keeping up a “safer” Corolla image.
 

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I don’t think Toyota would jeopardize the reliability reputation of the Corolla, especially since the next generation will already be all new. They waited years to bring their CVT and Valvematic in North America.

Since the rumor is from India, it might be related to international market, where Toyota already uses some BMW engines – and vice versa when the new Mini came out. Toyota and BMW are also partners in the development of lithium-ion batteries. So the Supra isn’t an isolated case.

It’s not uncommon, even for major companies, to share the high costs of development as more and more different models are needed to please the market, hence lower volume for each. Like, for instance, the Toyota Aygo/Peugeot 108/Citroen C1, the Mazda2/Yaris sedan or Mazda’s hybrids with Toyota’s technology in Japan. It goes way beyond those old stories of Geo Prizm, Chevy Nova and Toyota Cavalier!

The next NA Corolla will probably be all in-house engineered… except maybe for some XRS type version. The small market for that car didn’t or wouldn’t justify large investments but a bargain BMW engine deal specific to that version would probably have reviewers salivating, beside some enthusiasts, hence doing wonders for marketing with the main versions keeping up a “safer” Corolla image.
If anything, Toyota wants to spice it up. Honda can offer multiple flavors of the Civic and it appeals to a very broad buyer base; most Corollas only appeal to one end of the spectrum (A to B commuters).

Given the new Civic's recent redesign and success sales wise, along with the Si and Type R coming in 2017 that have enthusiasts reconsidering it, perhaps Toyota doesn't want to just stick with the Corolla's safe image anymore.
 

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I don’t think Toyota would jeopardize the reliability reputation of the Corolla, especially since the next generation will already be all new. They waited years to bring their CVT and Valvematic in North America.

Since the rumor is from India, it might be related to international market, where Toyota already uses some BMW engines – and vice versa when the new Mini came out. Toyota and BMW are also partners in the development of lithium-ion batteries. So the Supra isn’t an isolated case.

It’s not uncommon, even for major companies, to share the high costs of development as more and more different models are needed to please the market, hence lower volume for each. Like, for instance, the Toyota Aygo/Peugeot 108/Citroen C1, the Mazda2/Yaris sedan or Mazda’s hybrids with Toyota’s technology in Japan. It goes way beyond those old stories of Geo Prizm, Chevy Nova and Toyota Cavalier!

The next NA Corolla will probably be all in-house engineered… except maybe for some XRS type version. The small market for that car didn’t or wouldn’t justify large investments but a bargain BMW engine deal specific to that version would probably have reviewers salivating, beside some enthusiasts, hence doing wonders for marketing with the main versions keeping up a “safer” Corolla image.
Toyota launch CVT in 2009 on Venza, Rave4, ETC. But was use by Lexus since 1999. Same thing for Valvematic, made by Toyota for the 2007 Lotus Elise.

Like you said Toyota would jeopardize the reliability reputation of the Corolla. So they wait about 10 years to input thos technology in Corolla.
 

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Toyota launch CVT in 2009 on Venza, Rave4, ETC. But was use by Lexus since 1999. Same thing for Valvematic, made by Toyota for the 2007 Lotus Elise.

Like you said Toyota would jeopardize the reliability reputation of the Corolla. So they wait about 10 years to input thos technology in Corolla.
Actually, Toyota developed two types of "CVTs" in the '90s which, beside that name, have nothing in common : K series belt/pulley (K313 in our Corollas) and E series planetary (hybrids).
Both where JDM only at first. NA first got to know the E series when Prius came, then other hybrids, and only eventually hybrid Lexus (up to the combo eCVT/4AT in the new LC500h).
So the 11th gen Corolla is really the first and only NA contact with the K series. Same goes for the 2007 Valvematic, Toyota's answer to BMW's Valvetronic.
Like the kCVT, Valvematic was first developped to conciliate JDM MPG regulation and "performance". Only later did Lotus went from VVTLi to Valvematic, force by new euro regulation.
And so the criss-cross between brands goes on !
 

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Actually, Toyota developed two types of "CVTs" in the '90s which, beside that name, have nothing in common : K series belt/pulley (K313 in our Corollas) and E series planetary (hybrids).
Both where JDM only at first. NA first got to know the E series when Prius came, then other hybrids, and only eventually hybrid Lexus (up to the combo eCVT/4AT in the new LC500h).
So the 11th gen Corolla is really the first and only NA contact with the K series. Same goes for the 2007 Valvematic, Toyota's answer to BMW's Valvetronic.
Like the kCVT, Valvematic was first developped to conciliate JDM MPG regulation and "performance". Only later did Lotus went from VVTLi to Valvematic, force by new euro regulation.
And so the criss-cross between brands goes on !
eCVT is only use with hybrid or electric motor. Gasoline motor use CVT or CVTs. It is not the same technology!

True that Toyota Motor Corporation's K series of CVT transmissions found in many Toyota since 2000 models, went out in north america on the 2014 Corolla. Same ting for the Valvematic system.

I also said Toyota would jeopardize the reliability reputation of the Corolla, so they wait about 10 years to input thos technology in Corolla!?!?!?
 

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If anything, Toyota wants to spice it up. Honda can offer multiple flavors of the Civic and it appeals to a very broad buyer base; most Corollas only appeal to one end of the spectrum (A to B commuters).

Given the new Civic's recent redesign and success sales wise, along with the Si and Type R coming in 2017 that have enthusiasts reconsidering it, perhaps Toyota doesn't want to just stick with the Corolla's safe image anymore.
It would be interesting to see a BMW-sourced motor in a Corolla, though I'm more than willing to bet that it wouldn't be one of the base turbo 4's that's under the hood of so many models here in the US. I'd be interested in seeing a higher performance version of the Corolla but I'm not going to hold my breath.
 

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It would be interesting to see a BMW-sourced motor in a Corolla, though I'm more than willing to bet that it wouldn't be one of the base turbo 4's that's under the hood of so many models here in the US. I'd be interested in seeing a higher performance version of the Corolla but I'm not going to hold my breath.
That's another thing. The BMW label is spontaneously associated with "performance" but let's not forget that their range begin at... 1.2l - 75 HP !
 

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Maybe a variant of the Mini engine?
 
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