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Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon for
a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.
 
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In article <[email protected]>, Art
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> Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon for
> a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.


I wish you many happy miles and years, Art. Will you be reporting your
experiences in a Honda newsgroup?

Brent
 
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"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon
> for a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.


UGH!!!!!! Honda, get the FUCK out of all Toyota newgroups. And take your
naive, ignorant politics with you.


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> In article <[email protected]>, Art
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon
>> for
>> a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.

>
> I wish you many happy miles and years, Art. Will you be reporting your
> experiences in a Honda newsgroup?
>
> Brent


Apparently there are 2 Honda groups. I haven't looked at either yet. Just
for the record, we considered the Sienna too. Basically it was a toss up
and considering the rattles and other issues in my Avalon we went with the
Honda. What is interesting is how much minivans have improved. Mileage on
the Honda Touring is 20/28 EPA which is about the same as my 2001 Avalon.
The price wasn't too different either. My wife loves the power doors and
tailgate. And unlike the Avalon, the dashboard and everything else was
installed straight.
 
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"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Brent Secombe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> In article <[email protected]>, Art
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon
>>> for
>>> a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.

>>
>> I wish you many happy miles and years, Art. Will you be reporting your
>> experiences in a Honda newsgroup?
>>
>> Brent

>
> Apparently there are 2 Honda groups. I haven't looked at either yet.
> Just for the record, we considered the Sienna too. Basically it was a
> toss up and considering the rattles and other issues in my Avalon we went
> with the Honda. What is interesting is how much minivans have improved.
> Mileage on the Honda Touring is 20/28 EPA which is about the same as my
> 2001 Avalon. The price wasn't too different either. My wife loves the
> power doors and tailgate. And unlike the Avalon, the dashboard and
> everything else was installed straight.
>


Oh well! Art, I wish you well. Matter of fact, you bring to mind ...

"Everyone brings happiness to this forum. Some when they arrive and some
when they leave"

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Art wrote:
> Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon for
> a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.


Praise Allah.
 
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Hmmm looks like some Toyota buyers are discovering the Toyota make bad cars
too. Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
many brand 'X' dealers. ;)

mike hunt


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> In article <[email protected]>, Art
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon
>> for
>> a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.

>
> I wish you many happy miles and years, Art. Will you be reporting your
> experiences in a Honda newsgroup?
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> Brent
 
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The dealer is a mega dealer and owns a Toyota dealership. My Avalon will
probably end up there.

By the way, I tried to use KBB and Edmunds to estimate trade-in value. What
a waste. They differ by 2 grand. I checked my 300M pricing too. They vary
by thousands on that car too.


"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hmmm looks like some Toyota buyers are discovering the Toyota make bad
> cars too. Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car
> lots of many brand 'X' dealers. ;)
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> mike hunt
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> "Brent Secombe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> In article <[email protected]>, Art
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon
>>> for
>>> a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.

>>
>> I wish you many happy miles and years, Art. Will you be reporting your
>> experiences in a Honda newsgroup?
>>
>> Brent

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"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The dealer is a mega dealer and owns a Toyota dealership. My Avalon will
> probably end up there.
>
> By the way, I tried to use KBB and Edmunds to estimate trade-in value.
> What a waste. They differ by 2 grand. I checked my 300M pricing too.
> They vary by thousands on that car too.


My theory on determining used car values is to take the vehicle to CarMax
(if you have one near-by) and let them quote you a price. They know what
their cost for buying a similar car will be. I figure you add a few hundred
to their quote to determine your real trade in value (not the inflated feel
good number the dealers give you).

Regards,

Ed White
 
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
> many brand 'X' dealers.


Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that
makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the
US than any other brand.

Merritt
 
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Merritt Mullen wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
>> many brand 'X' dealers.

>
> Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that
> makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the
> US than any other brand.
>
> Merritt


I guess it depends on where you are. In my area, used Toyotas of any model
year on private lots are rare. Even though Toyota may sell more cars than
the big 3, I still see a hell of a lot more big 3 cars on private used lots
than Toyotas (and Hondas for that matter).
 
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The question remains if Toyotas are superior as some claim, why are their
owners buying other brands and not buying another Toyota? ;)


mike hunt


"High Tech Misfit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Merritt Mullen wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
>>> many brand 'X' dealers.

>>
>> Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that
>> makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the
>> US than any other brand.
>>
>> Merritt

>
> I guess it depends on where you are. In my area, used Toyotas of any
> model
> year on private lots are rare. Even though Toyota may sell more cars than
> the big 3, I still see a hell of a lot more big 3 cars on private used
> lots
> than Toyotas (and Hondas for that matter).
 
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Any other brand yes, however GM and Ford sell far more cars than Toyota
under their various brand names. It is like Ford saying their trucks are
number one but GM actually sells more trucks then Ford, but not under one
brand name. One must really listen closely to Toyotas press releases they
have a way of using the Language to confuse, like the claim their vehicles
are made in America, when they are merely assembled in the US of mostly
imported parts. Notice when they refer to sales they never say Toyota
Motors, only Toyota so their total sales of cars, or trucks, or both are not
compared to GM and FMC ;)

mike hunt


"Merritt Mullen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
>> many brand 'X' dealers.

>
> Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that
> makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the
> US than any other brand.
>
> Merritt
 
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The best place to find the most accurate prices at which vehicles are
actually selling, in the retail market, is nadagudes.com

mike hunt


"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The dealer is a mega dealer and owns a Toyota dealership. My Avalon will
> probably end up there.
>
> By the way, I tried to use KBB and Edmunds to estimate trade-in value.
> What a waste. They differ by 2 grand. I checked my 300M pricing too.
> They vary by thousands on that car too.
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Hmmm looks like some Toyota buyers are discovering the Toyota make bad
>> cars too. Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car
>> lots of many brand 'X' dealers. ;)
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>> "Brent Secombe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:251220052252203825%[email protected]
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Art
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Friday I got myself an early Christmas gift. We traded the 2001 Avalon
>>>> for
>>>> a 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring minivan.
>>>
>>> I wish you many happy miles and years, Art. Will you be reporting your
>>> experiences in a Honda newsgroup?
>>>
>>> Brent

>>
>>

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The question you need to answer is WHO is buying those USED Toyotas off your
lots? LOL Another question is what are all the Toyota dealers doing with
all the FORDS they take in trade?


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> The question remains if Toyotas are superior as some claim, why are their
> owners buying other brands and not buying another Toyota? ;)
>
>
> mike hunt
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> "High Tech Misfit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Merritt Mullen wrote:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
>>>> many brand 'X' dealers.
>>>
>>> Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that
>>> makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the
>>> US than any other brand.
>>>
>>> Merritt

>>
>> I guess it depends on where you are. In my area, used Toyotas of any
>> model
>> year on private lots are rare. Even though Toyota may sell more cars
>> than
>> the big 3, I still see a hell of a lot more big 3 cars on private used
>> lots
>> than Toyotas (and Hondas for that matter).

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In article <uuesf.1043$M%[email protected]>,
"Philip" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The question you need to answer is WHO is buying those USED Toyotas off your
> lots? LOL Another question is what are all the Toyota dealers doing with
> all the FORDS they take in trade?


My Dodge Caravan was only worth $800 to the Toyota dealer who by the way
also has a Dodge dealership. I got $3500 for it in a private sale,
which I thought was still rock bottom for the shape it was in. I
scanned the want ads for used Caravans and there were a ton of em. No
wonder, they don't command much on the used market. Everybody gets rid
of them before the warranty runs out, LOL. Fords are the same.


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> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > The question remains if Toyotas are superior as some claim, why are their
> > owners buying other brands and not buying another Toyota? ;)
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> > "High Tech Misfit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> >> Merritt Mullen wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
> >>>> many brand 'X' dealers.
> >>>
> >>> Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that
> >>> makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the
> >>> US than any other brand.
> >>>
> >>> Merritt
> >>
> >> I guess it depends on where you are. In my area, used Toyotas of any
> >> model
> >> year on private lots are rare. Even though Toyota may sell more cars
> >> than
> >> the big 3, I still see a hell of a lot more big 3 cars on private used
> >> lots
> >> than Toyotas (and Hondas for that matter).

> >
> >

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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:13:17 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:

> Any other brand yes, however GM and Ford sell far more cars than Toyota
> under their various brand names. It is like Ford saying their trucks are
> number one but GM actually sells more trucks then Ford, but not under one
> brand name. One must really listen closely to Toyotas press releases they
> have a way of using the Language to confuse, like the claim their vehicles
> are made in America, when they are merely assembled in the US of mostly
> imported parts. Notice when they refer to sales they never say Toyota
> Motors, only Toyota so their total sales of cars, or trucks, or both are not
> compared to GM and FMC ;)
>
> mike hunt


Well, then explain that origin sticler I was describing in another post on
a Japanese built (Final assy Aichi, Japan) Camry that was 75% US parts...

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> "Merritt Mullen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
>>> many brand 'X' dealers.

>>
>> Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that
>> makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the
>> US than any other brand.
>>
>> Merritt


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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:53:34 +0000, The benevolent dbu wrote:

> In article <uuesf.1043$M%[email protected]>,
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The question you need to answer is WHO is buying those USED Toyotas off your
>> lots? LOL Another question is what are all the Toyota dealers doing with
>> all the FORDS they take in trade?

>
> My Dodge Caravan was only worth $800 to the Toyota dealer who by the way
> also has a Dodge dealership. I got $3500 for it in a private sale,
> which I thought was still rock bottom for the shape it was in. I
> scanned the want ads for used Caravans and there were a ton of em. No
> wonder, they don't command much on the used market. Everybody gets rid
> of them before the warranty runs out, LOL. Fords are the same.


Hmmmm....wasn't Lia, was it?

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>> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> > The question remains if Toyotas are superior as some claim, why are their
>> > owners buying other brands and not buying another Toyota? ;)
>> >
>> >
>> > mike hunt
>> >
>> >
>> > "High Tech Misfit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]
>> >> Merritt Mullen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> >>> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of
>> >>>> many brand 'X' dealers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that
>> >>> makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the
>> >>> US than any other brand.
>> >>>
>> >>> Merritt
>> >>
>> >> I guess it depends on where you are. In my area, used Toyotas of any
>> >> model
>> >> year on private lots are rare. Even though Toyota may sell more cars
>> >> than
>> >> the big 3, I still see a hell of a lot more big 3 cars on private used
>> >> lots
>> >> than Toyotas (and Hondas for that matter).
>> >
>> >


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Easy they are not built in Japan of 75% American parts. Us a little logic
here. What makes you believe Toyota would buy more expense American parts,
even if they were made by other Japanese owned companies in the US, to ship
them to Japan to assemble a car, with a 'J' as the first digit of the VIN,
for shipment to the US? Yet on the other hand assemble the same car in the
US of mostly imported parts, with a '5' as the first number of the VIN
indicating for all to see that it is only assembled in the US of mostly
imported parts? Would not logic dictate that the car assembled in Japan
would have the parts made in China and the car assembled in the US would use
the American parts, rather than ship all of the parts both ways across the
sea?


mike hunt


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> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:13:17 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:
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>> Any other brand yes, however GM and Ford sell far more cars than Toyota
>> under their various brand names. It is like Ford saying their trucks are
>> number one but GM actually sells more trucks then Ford, but not under one
>> brand name. One must really listen closely to Toyotas press releases they
>> have a way of using the Language to confuse, like the claim their
>> vehicles
>> are made in America, when they are merely assembled in the US of mostly
>> imported parts. Notice when they refer to sales they never say Toyota
>> Motors, only Toyota so their total sales of cars, or trucks, or both are
>> not
>> compared to GM and FMC ;)
>>
>> mike hunt

>
> Well, then explain that origin sticler(sic) I was describing in another
> post on
> a Japanese built (Final assy Aichi, Japan) Camry that was 75% US parts...
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glad you got rid of it. tried of you complaining about that avalon for
the last 5 years. no trunk light on dash, all kind of problems with the
dash. the list goes on and on.
 
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