both are good engine its up to u ihave a 4agez
ae86polishman said:both are good engine its up to u ihave a 4agez
89TweenKam said:Ok so now the question becomes if I do go with a 4AGZE or 4AGE 20-valve and do an engine swap, can either of these bolt right up to the stock 5-speed in there now?
toyotaspeed90 said:as for what to go with... that's up to you.... if you choose 20V... i would suggest finding a smallport 16V and using the rest of the cash to modify the motor.....
Do you have any actual reasoning for this opinion?89TweenKam said:since I hate turbos and S/C's
Chris Corolla S said:Do you have any actual reasoning for this opinion?
sell you car and buy a 6Cyl or a V8 if that's your attitude. not saying it can't be done, but it'll cost double to get a n/a 4cyl to where a turbo or s/c 4cyl will be at.89TweenKam said:Yes I do....Most of the people I know that do work to their cars immediately go straight for a turbo without even considering doing any other options. They all feel that by adding a turbo they don't have to worry about anything else and if they only use about 7-9lbs of boost then they dont need any real engine work done, which is true to a point. I said it earlier in another thread, I don't want something making power for my engine, I want my engine making power....do you see the difference. My main motivation is to do something that not alot of other people have done.
This is why I chose the Corolla, besides being a great car, not alot of these are being used on the streets as racers....most ppl have Honduhs, Shitsubishi's and Stuporbu's.....I don't see alot of Toyota's or Nissan's.....I wanted to stand out....So since then I decided no turbos and no S/C's. I mis-spoke when I said I hated them.....I should've said that they just aren't for me.....not the avenue I wanna take
OK first of all, I'm not in High School, I'm no longer in college either.....I happen to be 27 and my reasons for not using forced induction are of no concern to this anyway, Chris S asked and I answered....You missed the point of my WHOLE discussion, I don't want horsepower on par with a turbo or S/C, I want N/A. I don't feel that a car as small as this needs 300+ HP. I figured on swapping out to a silvertop 20v, that jumps me immediately to 165hp from 120hp. Now, if I rework the cams, intake, exhaust, and all that happy stuff then I'll be up to I guessed around 220hp. I'm probably overshooting but oh well....Thats where I wanna be....I said it repeatedly....I DO NOT WANT A FULL OUT RACECAR!!!!!!!!!!! I want something thats fast but I can still take on the road...thsi is my daily driver....jayboogie said:sell you car and buy a 6Cyl or a V8 if that's your attitude. not saying it can't be done, but it'll cost double to get a n/a 4cyl to where a turbo or s/c 4cyl will be at.
nevertheless, our cars can be made relatively quick on any race platform without using forced induction, and be made super-duper quick... but why make things more dificult for yourself and spend all that money?
and did you read the light tune guide that i posted on your previous topic?
http://www.club4ag.com/faq and tech_pages/ae92_light_tuning_guide.htm
start out with this, see how your car performs, THEN make big plans.
it's not like youre going to buy a turbo or bore out your car or do something crazy to RIGHT NOW.
youre at a stage before me: what i want to do, is lightly tune my car (intake, headers, exhaust)... and then ill go from there, whether itll be a JDM GZE clip or a full-on 20v swap.
why do you think ae92's in japan were given a GZE? toyota engineers had enough common sense to add speed to their car, beit forced induction or not to make their already peppy downhill and circuit racers even faster.
drop 10K on a n/a 4A-GE-16v and it'll run 12's.
drop 5k on a n/a 440 and it'll run 11's.
(random figure, it's just to get my point across.)
and there's nothing wrong with any other car that goes zoom. a fast car is a fast car, whether it be a honda or not.
i would reccomend not generating a pre-hate hate towards honda's, mitsubishi's or subaru's, or any car in general. it's just like imports vs. domestics thing - except this is which import is considered rice.
it sounds like youre most probably in high school. IMO? setup your car for where you wanna go and how fast you you want to do it. forced induction or not. rather than ignoring an option of a GZE swap or a turbo, feel free to bolt it on and then laugh at your friends who can ONLY run 9 psi without blowing their engine.
depending on where you live, i doubt there are any 13-low 14 second street cars at your school.
but if you reaaaally want an n/a engine then that's fine - whatever makes you happy. but thats a bit juvenile reason to not used forced induction.
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Sorry for that, I did get way off topic there...but I was trying to make them understand I'm here to learn all that you guys are willing to teach me so if I say something stupid...please do not take it to heart....I have never worked on a car before, I have never stripped and engine just to rebuild it....and so on....that is why I have my bro who IS a mechanic/fabricator helping me with techie stuff so as we do this I learn how to do it all myself....And the eat a "D" comment was not necessary but I was trying to make a point that my opinions are my own and no one else really has the right to question what I feel.....I was getting attacked,well not really attacked, from many angles from many people here and they all said the same things.....and questioned my motives for doing what I wanna do...now if I was talking about doing all this to THEIR cars, then I could see them putting in their 2 cents...but no, I asked about MY car.....and what I want to do.....and what would be the best course of action for me to go....instead I get berated by people telling me I'm basically a moron for even thinking that I could pull all this off without a turbo.....Chris Corolla S said:You may be 27 but you still haven't learned to have a discussion without resorting to the "eat a dick" response. Please try to post what you think without doing that. Sometimes it's best to post nothing if someone pushes your buttons. Please refer to the rules.
Now let's get back on topic, please jayboogie and others refrain from flaming back at 89TweenCam here.
Did you think why everyone said the same things?89TweenKam said:I was trying to make a point that my opinions are my own and no one else really has the right to question what I feel.....I was getting attacked,well not really attacked, from many angles from many people here and they all said the same things.....and questioned my motives for doing what I wanna do...
89TweenKam said:now if I was talking about doing all this to THEIR cars, then I could see them putting in their 2 cents...but no, I asked about MY car.....and what I want to do.....and what would be the best course of action for me to go....instead I get berated by people telling me I'm basically a moron for even thinking that I could pull all this off without a turbo.....
repeat this to yourself:89TweenKam said:Now, if I rework the cams, intake, exhaust, and all that happy stuff then I'll be up to I guessed around 220hp. I'm probably overshooting but oh well....Thats where I wanna be....I said it repeatedly....I DO NOT WANT A FULL OUT RACECAR!!!!!!!!!!! I want something thats fast but I can still take on the road...thsi is my daily driver....
your motivation is good but everything you can think of someone might have tried it already, unless you invent something then that's the only time you'll stand out.89TweenKam said:My main motivation is to do something that not alot of other people have done.
in Jersey? you gotta be kidding me. you know how many Corollas from KEs to AEs i've seen in Jersey the last i was there? a lot. so unless you have an F20 (S2000) on an AE86 then you won't stand out... oh, wait that's been done too!89TweenKam said:This is why I chose the Corolla, besides being a great car, not alot of these are being used on the streets as racers....most ppl have Honduhs, Shitsubishi's and Stuporbu's.....I don't see alot of Toyota's or Nissan's.....I wanted to stand out....
whatever you're smoking i want some.... Chris and MR1 already pointed this out, no way in hell the 20V silvertop produces 160hp. i'd be lucky if i get 120whp on mine (stock). and just for arguments sake (and no one has even said anything about this yet so i'll do it), let's say your car now is laying 200whp, have you ever thought of how much chassis reinforcements you need, plus the brakes and suspension? buddy you're talking a lot of hp for a car that came out of the factory intended for just a mere 90/100whp.89TweenKam said:I don't feel that a car as small as this needs 300+ HP. I figured on swapping out to a silvertop 20v, that jumps me immediately to 165hp from 120hp. Now, if I rework the cams, intake, exhaust, and all that happy stuff then I'll be up to I guessed around 220hp. I'm probably overshooting but oh well....Thats where I wanna be....I said it repeatedly....I DO NOT WANT A FULL OUT RACECAR!!!!!!!!!!! I want something thats fast but I can still take on the road...thsi is my daily driver....
I got this off topic asking about a side comment.89TweenKam said:Ok so now the question becomes if I do go with a 4AGZE or 4AGE 20-valve and do an engine swap, can either of these bolt right up to the stock 5-speed in there now? because I will be able to buy an engine or a tranny, not both at the same time.....and if I go with the engine the nI wanna still be able to drive the car around while I get more cash for the tranny and others....I can get a 4AGE 20vavle silver top for about $700 or a 4AGZE for about the same price...