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Maintenance on 2012 camry SE 4 Cylinder

Just purchased a 2012 SE 4 cylinder. The toyota dealer says oil changes are every 10,000 miles. I think that is nuts...Anyone that has had a 2012 4 cylinder for a bit, how often and what kind of oil will you use...Thanks

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you'll get the 10K and 20k free but the ones in between are on you:lol:

me, 5k oil changes for now. not sold on the 10k thing. i am not qualified to make an expert opinion here, just simple insurance on my car. at this point I am not a believer on the 10k lof.
 

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10k for me and I'm hanging onto the service records. Toyota already had a major sludge problem, I don't think that they would risk another.
 

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toyota had sludge issues on older 2.2 motors and only if owner was using cheap oil and didn't change it in time.
I had 2001 2.2 camry from 33K till 120K. 5-30 full synthetic Valvoline Synpower every 9-10K didn't have any problems.
used same oil for 2007 2.4 camry too-no issues.
toyota issued same 10K intervals on many 2010 and up models including 2.5 camry.
I see no problems with 10K intervals on 2012 camry.
any brand name synth. oil good for at least 15K and good oil will last up to 20K but I wouldn't go that long.
as soon as I'll run out of free oil changes I'm going back to Valvoline Synpower 0-20 as far as I know Synpower and Mobil 1 0-20 synth. are two best oils on the market.
 

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last gen 4 cyl. camry has a T-SB on oil consumption. (current available t-sb)
the fix is new pistons, reengineered. 3 select fit sizes available based on cylinder wear.
take out (bad) pistons have sludge / oil residue contaminating the oil control rings. the engine then develops oil consumption issues. If i remember the updated pistons have larger oil drain holes and are designed to not accumulate oil / sludge on the piston oil rings. With dealer records the manufacturer can and is goodwilling this on cars "that are out by miles". ;)

soooooooo. ..........we are not completely out of the sludge days, not 100%.

sorry, but for me its a 5k interval. hey its a preference right?
5 years from now there will be thousands of camry owners that did the 10k thing and others that did 5k, all probably just as happy as the other. time will tell.

for me its not the "can the oil hold" question, its all the other little details that have not yet surfaced. if a 5k interval dealer serviced 4 cyl camry comes in at 110K burning 1 qt oil every 500 miles anything is possible. the T-SB addresses the oil burners as I have witnessed firsthand.
 

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^. not a toyota tech but never heard about sludge on gen.
6 oil consumption-yes. sludge-no.
and gen 6 had 5K intervals.
plus, gen 6 and gen 7 engines are different. toyota changed gen 6 2.4 to 2.5 on gen 6.5.and increased intervals to 10K -and it's a in many ways different motor. gen 7 got updated gen 6.5 motor.
 

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Do the 5K interval on your own and 10K intervals at the dealers

like rotate between you and the dealers every 5K .... doing ever 5K is good protection for your vehicle if you're planning to keep it for a long time
 

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10k intervals have been used for decades now with synthetic oil. It's nothing new. It's been tried, done, and proven to work. There is no scientific evidence substantiating any claim that 10k intervals will result in engine problems as opposed to 5k. Just about all general tests and specific Used Oil Analyses I've read over the years have indicated that 10k intervals were just fine.

Mercedes runs 13k, BMW 15k, Porsche anywhere in between. So why can't a Toyota?
 

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If the car has a large oil sump, say 6 quarts or so and the recommended oil is synthetic, then 10000 mi really should be a non-issue because the oil works better and there is more oil to dilute the contaminants.

^. not a toyota tech but never heard about sludge on gen.
6 oil consumption-yes. sludge-no.
and gen 6 had 5K intervals.
plus, gen 6 and gen 7 engines are different. toyota changed gen 6 2.4 to 2.5 on gen 6.5.and increased intervals to 10K -and it's a in many ways different motor. gen 7 got updated gen 6.5 motor.
The Gen 6, 2.4L, has 7500mi intervals. The 5000mi interval is for severe service.
 

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Does the gen7 use synth or Dino oil from the factory?
 

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I used 10K/synthetic on my '04 once warranty expired. It had long trips, maybe I'd shorten it a little if they were short trips. The engine was spotless looking into oil fill.

On my new one I'll monitor condition of dipstick above oil level for varnish as well as what I can see in the oil fill. I drive shorter trips now. If these parts are not staying spotless I'll increase the frequency a bit. Even though a little varnish in an engine tends to be harmless.

Water pump original when sold at 135K.
 

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Big water pump problems have been on the 1.8 from the Corolla and the 2.4 from the Camry and Rav4. The Camry has had the 2.5 since 2010 and I haven't seen many water pumps go bad early.

I also have a 2011 Camry that requires 0w-20 and I run 10,000 mile or once a year intervals. Oil has improved, engines have improved, we aren't in every 3000 mile territory anymore :)
 

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I would appreciate if someone would comment on the following.

The 2012 Camry user manual recommends SAE 0W-20 oil. If this oil cannot be found, the manual recommends 5W-20. Are not both of these oils too thin for the Northeast (WV)? For summer time would not 10W-30 be a better choice? Am I missing something here?

Thank you
 

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I bought a 2006 Mazda 3 new, and it had a recommended oil weight of 5W-20. Like you I was skeptical about using a 20 weight oil as my standard was a 5W-30 synthetic. I did a considerable amount of research and in the end convinced myself a 20 weight and in particular a 0W-20 was ideal.

Engines that can use 20 weight oil typically have 4 valves per cylinder, and some like the 2012 Camry Hybrid (not sure about all the models) have roller type cams which are even better for 20 weight. The bottom line is that 20 weight has less friction loss and you get better gas mileage. In most cases 30 weight is fine too, but you will suffer a small bit in mileage. Either way I would not use a 10W though. 5W or better still 0W will give you better viscosity oil on start up, even in normal temperatures.

20 weight is not for all engines, and in particular not for the older two valve per cylinder higher performance engines though. Valve contact pressure is too high.

Interestingly enough, Toyota 0W-20 Synthetic is one of the better choices, and is reasonably priced around $5 a quart. According to the guys at Bob is the Oil Guy, it is made by Exxon Mobil, using an additive package from Japan. Some (like me) might argue that a true Mobil 1, 0W-20 might be a touch better, but for the price the Toyota oil is very good. Here is a comparison chart I put together from various sources.

 

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Why try to second guess the engineers who designed the car? Your "feeling" that the oil is too thin really isn't based on science.

Stick with the recommended oil.
 

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Part of the reason for the lighter oil is for fuel economy-! It hakes a lot of energy to pump oil to the proper pressure-- and of course the heaver the viscosity, the more energy is required.

The engineers have tested the oil, and have assured the buyer, that it will perform satisfactory, with minimal wear. I personally would sleep better, if Toyota gave a 5 year warranty for major engine problems, ike many manufacturers do.
 

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Part of the reason for the lighter oil is for fuel economy-! It hakes a lot of energy to pump oil to the proper pressure-- and of course the heaver the viscosity, the more energy is required.

The engineers have tested the oil, and have assured the buyer, that it will perform satisfactory, with minimal wear. I personally would sleep better, if Toyota gave a 5 year warranty for major engine problems, ike many manufacturers do.
The powertrain is covered for 6/60. Check the warranty guide at http://www.toyota.com/t3Portal/document/omms/T-MMS-12Camry/pdf/2012_Toyota_Camry_WMG.pdf

6 is better than 5 :D
 
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