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Hello All.
I typically do not frequent the Scion Forums, but I have spent a goodly amount of time in the T100 forums, since I have been doing quite a lot of work my truck.

My wife owns a 2008 Scion XB, which is plagued with the excessive oil consumption issue that so many of these are. Also, like many people, the car was taken to a dealership during the window of time to replace the engine, and the dealership said it was not using enough oil at that time to count (I think it was).

The scion was starting to use almost one quart a week, so I began looking around at what solutions there were available (priced out a rebuilt engine, talked to various people, etc), and wondering if the car was worth the effort.

At any rate, during my time in the t100 forums, I stumbled on a post about using water to de-carbonize the engine: Decarbonizing the combustion chambers in my engine...

I thought it would be worth a shot on the XB, since the oil consumption (as far as I understand it) is caused by carbon build-up on the rings and pistons.

I used a gallon water-container upside down with a tube going to a vacuum line and sort of IV dripped water into the engine while the engine was running at 2500 ~ 3000rpm. The tube had a small screw in it to sort of regulate the flow of water. The engine was pre-warmed before I did this.

I went though about a third of a gallon of water the first time. It honestly did not seem to help at all. In fact, the car seemed to be using more oil than before. A week later I did another treatment, and changed the oil and filter afterwards. Again, it did not really seem to help much. However....about a week later, without me doing anything...the car dramatically reduced the amount of oil it was using...probably by half.
I thought that was hopeful...maybe the water-treatments loosened some carbon build-up enough to crumble it perhaps?

Last week I did one more treatment. Before I started I put half a can of seafoam into the crank-case. I ran a half a gallon of water through the engine and kept the rpms up to 3000 the whole time.
Afterwards, I changed the oil and filter. I tried a new oil (Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic 5W-30) at the recommendation of someone.

So far, oil consumption is almost non-existing. I keep checking the car expecting to see the oil-level drop, but it has not changed at all (maybe 1mm, but I did not have my glasses on at the time). My wife has not done any different driving this week than she usually does.

I am very hopeful. If the oil stays regular, I will continue doing the water treatment, perhaps before every oil change.

I wanted to post here about my experience because everything that I read across the web was very discouraging, and I was thinking that the only solution was a new engine.
I will follow up in another week or so to post if things are still working.
 

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It has been one month since I did the last oil change. The car has been used as a daily driver 6 days a week, and had one longer road trip of 300 miles.
I have added (over the last month) around half-a quart - whatever was left in the 5qt bottle after doing the oil change is what I have added in since changing the oil.

Also, of note is that previously (before any of the water-treatments) the oil would quickly become black and sludgy-looking. When I checked it last night it was a very light brown color.

I will do another update in a month, but I think that it is safe to say that de-carbonizing with water greatly reduces the excessive oil consumption issue.

I should type up an outline of how I did this with some photos. Perhaps on my next oil change I will do that.

The only thing I should mention is if you decide to do a water de-carbonizing you should be careful to not introduce too much water at once or you can damage your engine (thus the IV drip into the vacuum line rather than dumping a bunch of water into the cylinders).
 

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The car seems to be using a consistent 1 cup of oil every 10 to 12 days (I bought a measuring cup to keep track of usage), which roughly equates to 3/4 quart every month, and 3 qts between oil changes (every 5000 miles). Also, the oil is still clear and caramel-colored.

This is not ideal, but way better than the extreme usage the car was getting before I started doing these treatments (1/2 ~ 1 qt per week, yikes!!)

I will continue doing a water treatment before oil-changes and note if there is any difference in the long-term. Maybe over time it will clear things up more. For now I am happy to have reduced the oil usage to a more sane level.
 

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Back in 'ol country water engine cleaning was routinely done since times forgotten. Water has zero compression, so water droplets, sucked into passages under high pressure and speed, act like jack hammers.
But we didn't have cats. That in mind, out of straight pipe vehicle, black tar will be dripping outta the tail pipe. On one with cat, all that stops in it. Just saying.
The only real and safe fix is to replace pistons and rings with better designs ones.
 

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But we didn't have cats. That in mind, out of straight pipe vehicle, black tar will be dripping outta the tail pipe. On one with cat, all that stops in it. Just saying.
So, is what happening to the cat that all of the carbon is going back to it and clogging it? Or is it damaging it some other way


The only real and safe fix is to replace pistons and rings with better designs ones.
In my case I do not currently have the money, time or inclination to pull the engine. I do not have much money tied up in the car to begin with (it was given to us because of the oil issue and some other problems)

I imagine I will have to replace the cat at some point, since it has been driven for so long while burning so much oil, then my water-treatments sending all that carbon out..
 

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All I am saying - and my buddy was engine mech for 18 yrs back in 'ol country - that water indeed removes, chisels away, any build up it hits. But, all that has to go somewhere, along with water steam. So it goes out the exhaust manifold - and into cat. Now, if you look at cat, it has platinum mesh inside, that is rather small pore chunk, permeable to air - not so to larger particulate. Smart way of doing water chiseling is to drop cat and let all that junk flow out. VERY LOUD but safer.
Understood on $$.
Folks in 'ol country used to drive with IV drip with water permanently attached to engines. Was believed that steam gas mix improves mpg. Again, we had no cats, emissions testing was non existent and, when they finally started enforcing it, it was simple matter of small bribe to testing cop. It's all different now.
But yes, indeed, water cleanses whatever it hits very well.
 

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Sorry, I honestly was not refuting anything you were saying. I was inquiring about how it damages the cat...is it clogging it up, or does the water damage the mesh?
I genuinely do not know much about cats and would like to understand better what is happening when I do a water-decarb.
 
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