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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Re: OT: Horrifying

Built_Well, 12/17/2005,3:39:01 PM, wrote:

> Frightening statistic:
>
> "Each year, the average car emits
> about 10,000 pounds (3 times its weight!) in
> carbon dioxide pollution, a leading cause of
> Global Warming."
>
> Yow, I had no idear...
>
> 3 times the car's weight...
>
> Source: www.participate.net/terrapass


Your source is dubious. Movie fans that are activists.

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realise that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." ~ Ronald
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Re: Horrifying

1 straight month of below average temperatures here; I think I'll go let my
car idle overnight, and my snowblower, and my lawnmower...

Global Warming is our friend!
Steve


"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Frightening statistic:
>
> "Each year, the average car emits
> about 10,000 pounds (3 times its weight!) in
> carbon dioxide pollution, a leading cause of
> Global Warming."
>
> Yow, I had no idear...
>
> 3 times the car's weight...
>
> Source: www.participate.net/terrapass
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Re: OT: Horrifying

badgolferman wrote:
> Your source is dubious. Movie fans that are activists.


Perhaps, but the numbers sounded about right to me.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Re: Horrifying

And the average car does most of this stuck in traffic for several hours a
week, sometimes several hours a day.





"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Frightening statistic:
>
> "Each year, the average car emits
> about 10,000 pounds (3 times its weight!) in
> carbon dioxide pollution, a leading cause of
> Global Warming."
>
> Yow, I had no idear...
>
> 3 times the car's weight...
>
> Source: www.participate.net/terrapass
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Re: Horrifying

What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt any
highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
there but has become too small to do its job. Once the environmentalists
stop a road, a new batch of environmentalists j8mp in and complain that cars
emit too much CO2. But, if they allowed the highway projects to go through,
there would be less [email protected] because the cars would be on the road for an hour
instead of 3 hours.

Environmentalists need to pick the battle, then not complain when then win
it.




"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Frightening statistic:
>
> "Each year, the average car emits
> about 10,000 pounds (3 times its weight!) in
> carbon dioxide pollution, a leading cause of
> Global Warming."
>
> Yow, I had no idear...
>
> 3 times the car's weight...
>
> Source: www.participate.net/terrapass
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Re: Horrifying

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:

>What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt any
>highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
>there but has become too small to do its job.


Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
public transportation, would do more good.

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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Re: Horrifying

Gary L. Burnore wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
><[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>
>>What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt any
>>highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
>>there but has become too small to do its job.

>
>Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
>public transportation, would do more good.


Wrong. Public transport isn't even close to satisfactory. Only a
small niche (i.e. people who work downtown) really benefit from it.
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Re: Horrifying

"dizzy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>><[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>>
>>>What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt
>>>any
>>>highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
>>>there but has become too small to do its job.

>>
>>Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
>>public transportation, would do more good.

>
> Wrong. Public transport isn't even close to satisfactory. Only a
> small niche (i.e. people who work downtown) really benefit from it.
>


OH MY GOD. I find my self agreeing with Dizzy on this one. My brother
works downtown and takes the train in. I drive to my suburban job. I can
drive in 90 minutes what would take well over 3 hours by train, i.e. I would
have to go downtown and then out to the suburb I work at.

Looking for the 3 Wise Guys. Isn't that Bonano, Gambino and Capone? <g>

Charles
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:39:01 -0500, "Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Frightening statistic:
>
>"Each year, the average car emits
>about 10,000 pounds (3 times its weight!) in
>carbon dioxide pollution, a leading cause of
>Global Warming."
>
> Yow, I had no idear...
>
> 3 times the car's weight...
>
>Source: www.participate.net/terrapass


Solution?

Plant a tree....

--

Scott in Florida
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Re: Horrifying

"Gary L. Burnore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> <[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>
>>What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt
>>any
>>highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
>>there but has become too small to do its job.

>
> Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
> public transportation, would do more good.



Perhaps it would have done more good before the cars were purchased. But,
most of us find that a car is a necessity, and until the infrastructure
provides meaningful transportation options, then the cars will remain. So,
now we're back to the original point, the cars are already here but are
mired in traffic that is caused in no small part by environmental concerns.
Now that we are collectively mired in our own shit, the environmentalists
now bitch that the smell is too strong. Pick your battle, then don't
complain about the results when you win.

And, no, I'm not ignoring anything.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Re: Horrifying

"Gary L. Burnore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> <[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>
>>What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt
>>any
>>highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
>>there but has become too small to do its job.

>
> Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
> public transportation, would do more good.
>
> --
> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com


Spoken like a city dweller.

--

- Philip
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Re: Horrifying

"dizzy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>><[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>>
>>>What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt
>>>any
>>>highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
>>>there but has become too small to do its job.

>>
>>Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
>>public transportation, would do more good.

>
> Wrong. Public transport isn't even close to satisfactory. Only a
> small niche (i.e. people who work downtown) really benefit from it.
>


That is certainly true in America, but there are lots of countries where
public transit provides meaningful transportation options no only within a
city, but within the entire country, and in some cases to neighboring
countries as well. American transportation is by no means a unique problem,
but public transit can work if there is enough of it. The problem we have is
much like the chicken-or-the-egg question. We have crappy public transit
because nobody uses it, but nobody uses it because it is crappy. Until it
improves, people will not use it, but until people will use it, nobody can
justify funding it. So, we never get it and we build more and more cars as a
result -- the complaint in this thread being that the cars emit CO2, mostly
because they are trapped in overtaxed roadways that carry double or triple
(or even more) the traffic they were designed to carry.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Re: Horrifying

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:39:12 GMT, "Philip"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Gary L. Burnore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>> <[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>>
>>>What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt
>>>any
>>>highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
>>>there but has become too small to do its job.

>>
>> Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
>> public transportation, would do more good.
>>
>> --
>> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com

>
>Spoken like a city dweller.


Irrelevent, of course. (And I'm not). Public transportation works.
Oil companies and republicans would rather you not use it, of course.

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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Re: Horrifying

"Gary L. Burnore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:39:12 GMT, "Philip"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gary L. Burnore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>>> <[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>>>
>>>>What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt
>>>>any
>>>>highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is
>>>>already
>>>>there but has become too small to do its job.
>>>
>>> Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
>>> public transportation, would do more good.
>>>
>>> --
>>> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com

>>
>>Spoken like a city dweller.

>
> Irrelevent, of course. (And I'm not). Public transportation works.
> Oil companies and republicans would rather you not use it, of course.
>
> --
> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


Where you live has a strong influence on your viewpoint. Public
transportation around and through Los Angeles has been a boondoggle. In
fact ... the last driver's strike resulted in BETTER traffic flow on surface
streets largely due to the complete absence of buses that are as long as
6-11 cars at any given stop point. Futhermore, in the "less safe"
communities, what white man would want to risk traveling on a surface street
bus? Not me.
--

- Philip
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Re: Horrifying

In article <[email protected]>,
Gary L. Burnore <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> <[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>
> >What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt any
> >highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
> >there but has become too small to do its job.

>
> Of course you're ignoring the fact that the same money spent wisely on
> public transportation, would do more good.


I live in the 5th largest county in Kentucky. The only real town in it
has a population of 1300 and the entire county has a population of less
than 10,000. Do you think I'm going to get access to any sort of public
transportation anytime soon?

Not everyone lives in a city.
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Re: Horrifying

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> What I find "horrifying" is that enviromentalists are the first to halt any
> highway project, even if the project is to replace a raod that is already
> there but has become too small to do its job. Once the environmentalists
> stop a road, a new batch of environmentalists j8mp in and complain that cars
> emit too much CO2. But, if they allowed the highway projects to go through,
> there would be less [email protected] because the cars would be on the road for an hour
> instead of 3 hours.
>
> Environmentalists need to pick the battle, then not complain when then win
> it.


LOL! If they really stopped to think about it, an engine runs more
efficiently when it's running continuously. The more the engine has to
idle, the less efficient it runs. This means by NOT upgrading the road,
there are more traffic jams, and more cars sitting there idleing, burning
more fuel and emitting more pollution than if they were moving properly.

No, environmentalists DON'T think with their brains. But, hey, they save
a salamander or two!


>
>
>
>
> "Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Frightening statistic:
>>
>> "Each year, the average car emits
>> about 10,000 pounds (3 times its weight!) in
>> carbon dioxide pollution, a leading cause of
>> Global Warming."
>>
>> Yow, I had no idear...
>>
>> 3 times the car's weight...
>>
>> Source: www.participate.net/terrapass


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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Re: OT: Horrifying

In article <[email protected]>,
"badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Built_Well, 12/17/2005,3:39:01 PM, wrote:
>
> > Frightening statistic:
> >
> > "Each year, the average car emits
> > about 10,000 pounds (3 times its weight!) in
> > carbon dioxide pollution, a leading cause of
> > Global Warming."
> >
> > Yow, I had no idear...
> >
> > 3 times the car's weight...
> >
> > Source: www.participate.net/terrapass

>
> Your source is dubious. Movie fans that are activists.


It's a fairly easy calculation that burning one gallon of gasoline
results in about 16 pounds of CO2. That's 625 gallons, or 16000 miles at
25 miles/gallon.

Wonder how that compares to naturally occurring forest fires and
volcanic eruptions? Just because it's a surprisingly big number doesn't
mean it's significant. I once heard that the eruption of Mt. Pinetubo
back in the 90's released more greenhouse gasses than all of the cars on
the road. Dunno if it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Travis Jordan wrote:

> No worries. The Bush puppet said so.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0829-02.htm



Great web site and article! I enjoyed them a lot.

Dear Congress, isn't it time to impeach Georgie before
another two thousand Americans die for his lies?
Imagine that. He steals 2 elections AND goes off
and starts a war.

Bush is so unpatriotic. Now we learn he's been forcing
the N.S.A. to shred the Constitution. Paraphrasing
Represetnative Russ Feingold, is he "President Bush or
King Bush?"

By the way, "Syriana" is an incredibly good and moving
movie. And Toyotas are prominently featured. Toyotas have
a starring role in the picture--you'll see what I mean near
the end.
 
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