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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Re: OT: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

In article <[email protected]>,
"badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> dbu,, 1/3/2007,5:32:47 AM, wrote:
>
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/

>
> That must be why he became a Democrat !!!
>
> He must be on cocaine now if he thinks he is going to be President.


Here is a segment from the article which I thought kind of stuck out:

"A senior Republican strategist who will be advising a GOP presidential
candidate in 2008 said he did not see anything in the book that would be
a "disqualifier," but he cautioned that Obama has not yet gone through
an intense vetting process and that a problem could arise if there is
more to his story than he has chosen to share. The strategist, who spoke
on the condition of anonymity, also suggested that there will be high
tolerance for marijuana use among voters because many baby boomers
probably tried the drug in the '60s."

"high tolerance for marijuana use" This is but another example of how
chipping away ever so tiny bit by bit a society can be worn down. The
Roman empire is one example. America maybe another. So down the line
we can expect the president and members of congress actively
participating in hard drug use while running the country. This will
make a fine example to the youth. Drug use, it's ok.

Another word that continues to stick out in regards to drug use is
"tried". Everybody "tried" but didn't use? How many tons of the stuff
is smoked every year.
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Re: OT: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

" dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> dbu,, 1/3/2007,5:32:47 AM, wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/

>>
>> That must be why he became a Democrat !!!
>>
>> He must be on cocaine now if he thinks he is going to be President.

>
> Here is a segment from the article which I thought kind of stuck out:
>
> "A senior Republican strategist who will be advising a GOP presidential
> candidate in 2008 said he did not see anything in the book that would be
> a "disqualifier," but he cautioned that Obama has not yet gone through
> an intense vetting process and that a problem could arise if there is
> more to his story than he has chosen to share. The strategist, who spoke
> on the condition of anonymity, also suggested that there will be high
> tolerance for marijuana use among voters because many baby boomers
> probably tried the drug in the '60s."
>
> "high tolerance for marijuana use" This is but another example of how
> chipping away ever so tiny bit by bit a society can be worn down. The
> Roman empire is one example. America maybe another. So down the line
> we can expect the president and members of congress actively
> participating in hard drug use while running the country. This will
> make a fine example to the youth. Drug use, it's ok.
>
> Another word that continues to stick out in regards to drug use is
> "tried". Everybody "tried" but didn't use? How many tons of the stuff
> is smoked every year.



Is your issue with marijuana the fact that it is illegal at the moment, or
something about the drug which you feel makes it different from alcohol?
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
" dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:32:47 -0600, dbu, wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/

>>
>>
>> Well, if he tried it in his memoir, what's the problem?
>>
>> Good thing he didn't really try it!

>
> Everybody "tried it", but never used it. LOL.
> --
>



Is your issue with marijuana the fact that it is illegal at the moment, or
something about the drug which you feel makes it different from alcohol?
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
In article <d%[email protected]>,
"JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]> wrote:

> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > In article <sUOmh.14[email protected]>,
> > Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:32:47 -0600, dbu, wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, if he tried it in his memoir, what's the problem?
> >>
> >> Good thing he didn't really try it!

> >
> > Everybody "tried it", but never used it. LOL.
> > --
> >

>
>
> Is your issue with marijuana the fact that it is illegal at the moment, or
> something about the drug which you feel makes it different from alcohol?


I had not compared it to alcohol. What is your question?
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
" dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> In article <d%[email protected]>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:32:47 -0600, dbu, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well, if he tried it in his memoir, what's the problem?
>> >>
>> >> Good thing he didn't really try it!
>> >
>> > Everybody "tried it", but never used it. LOL.
>> > --
>> >

>>
>>
>> Is your issue with marijuana the fact that it is illegal at the moment,
>> or
>> something about the drug which you feel makes it different from alcohol?

>
> I had not compared it to alcohol. What is your question?
> --
>


Unless I've interpreted incorrectly, you have an issue with marijuana use.
If this is correct, what is it about the drug? It's legal status, or
something about the drug itself?
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
"JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]> wrote:

> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > In article <d%[email protected]>,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:32:47 -0600, dbu, wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, if he tried it in his memoir, what's the problem?
> >> >>
> >> >> Good thing he didn't really try it!
> >> >
> >> > Everybody "tried it", but never used it. LOL.
> >> > --
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Is your issue with marijuana the fact that it is illegal at the moment,
> >> or
> >> something about the drug which you feel makes it different from alcohol?

> >
> > I had not compared it to alcohol. What is your question?
> > --
> >

>
> Unless I've interpreted incorrectly, you have an issue with marijuana use.
> If this is correct, what is it about the drug? It's legal status, or
> something about the drug itself?


I don't have any problems with illegal drugs, do you?

Well as for your other questions, marijuana is illegal, against the law
as far as I know and in addition it like tobbaco smoke will get to your
lungs, plus the smoke really stinks, like you can smell it a mile away
if someone is smoking in a park or outside. Alcoholic beverages such as
beer, wine ect are not. Plus alcoholic beverages such as wine and beer
have been proven to be beneficial to your health if consumed moderately.

Marijuana has not been shown to have any medical benefit other than
perhaps a euphoric state for some terminal patients. It still remains
illegal.









Marijuana has not been shown to have any health benefits.
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
" dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > In article <d%[email protected]>,
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]
>> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> > Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:32:47 -0600, dbu, wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, if he tried it in his memoir, what's the problem?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Good thing he didn't really try it!
>> >> >
>> >> > Everybody "tried it", but never used it. LOL.
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is your issue with marijuana the fact that it is illegal at the
>> >> moment,
>> >> or
>> >> something about the drug which you feel makes it different from
>> >> alcohol?
>> >
>> > I had not compared it to alcohol. What is your question?
>> > --
>> >

>>
>> Unless I've interpreted incorrectly, you have an issue with marijuana
>> use.
>> If this is correct, what is it about the drug? It's legal status, or
>> something about the drug itself?

>
> I don't have any problems with illegal drugs, do you?
>
> Well as for your other questions, marijuana is illegal, against the law
> as far as I know and in addition it like tobbaco smoke will get to your
> lungs, plus the smoke really stinks, like you can smell it a mile away
> if someone is smoking in a park or outside. Alcoholic beverages such as
> beer, wine ect are not. Plus alcoholic beverages such as wine and beer
> have been proven to be beneficial to your health if consumed moderately.
>
> Marijuana has not been shown to have any medical benefit other than
> perhaps a euphoric state for some terminal patients. It still remains
> illegal.



So, when a politician says he used it, it concerns you because the drug is
illegal? Is that your ONLY concern about the politician?
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Re: OT: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

badgolferman wrote:
> dbu,, 1/3/2007,5:32:47 AM, wrote:
>
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/

>
> That must be why he became a Democrat !!!


I take it you go to 12 step meetings for the social aspect?

>
> He must be on cocaine now if he thinks he is going to be President.


GWB is an ex coke-head, and frankly I'm rather annoyed that I have to
remind you of this fact.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Re: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

I am sure that I will get blasted buy My main concerns is;

If and when the person gets elected to a Government Position (U.S. Senator,
U.S. Representative, President, or what ever) that requires him/her to
obtain a Security Clearance he/she should get one on their own merits, not
because they were elected. Not sure if the last 2 Presidents could get one
and no telling how many in Congress would be in the same boat.
Hope all in the auto.Toyota group have a Happy and Safe New Year.

cil

" dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Re: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

CIL, 1/3/2007, 2:48:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> If and when the person gets elected to a Government Position (U.S.
> Senator, U.S. Representative, President, or what ever) that requires
> him/her to obtain a Security Clearance he/she should get one on their
> own merits, not because they were elected. Not sure if the last 2
> Presidents could get one and no telling how many in Congress would be
> in the same boat.


I'll go along with that.
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Re: OT: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 yearsago

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:20:45 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>> > In article <d%[email protected]>,
>>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >> news:[email protected]
>>> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
>>> >> > Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:32:47 -0600, dbu, wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Well, if he tried it in his memoir, what's the problem?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Good thing he didn't really try it!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Everybody "tried it", but never used it. LOL.
>>> >> > --
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Is your issue with marijuana the fact that it is illegal at the
>>> >> moment,
>>> >> or
>>> >> something about the drug which you feel makes it different from
>>> >> alcohol?
>>> >
>>> > I had not compared it to alcohol. What is your question?
>>> > --
>>> >
>>>
>>> Unless I've interpreted incorrectly, you have an issue with marijuana
>>> use.
>>> If this is correct, what is it about the drug? It's legal status, or
>>> something about the drug itself?

>>
>> I don't have any problems with illegal drugs, do you?
>>
>> Well as for your other questions, marijuana is illegal, against the law
>> as far as I know and in addition it like tobbaco smoke will get to your
>> lungs, plus the smoke really stinks, like you can smell it a mile away
>> if someone is smoking in a park or outside. Alcoholic beverages such as
>> beer, wine ect are not. Plus alcoholic beverages such as wine and beer
>> have been proven to be beneficial to your health if consumed moderately.
>>
>> Marijuana has not been shown to have any medical benefit other than
>> perhaps a euphoric state for some terminal patients. It still remains
>> illegal.

>
>
> So, when a politician says he used it, it concerns you because the drug is
> illegal? Is that your ONLY concern about the politician?


Sex with underage people is illegal. A LOT of people had a lot of trouble
with Foley when he tried to have an affair with an underage page (well, I
guess he didn't actually TRY having the affair until the guy was >18)


So, is something ILLEGAL, or ISN'T IT?!?!?!
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Re: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

CIL wrote:
> I am sure that I will get blasted buy My main concerns is;
>
> If and when the person gets elected to a Government Position (U.S. Senator,
> U.S. Representative, President, or what ever) that requires him/her to
> obtain a Security Clearance he/she should get one on their own merits, not
> because they were elected.


Absurd. In fact, the entire concept of "Security Clearance" itself is
nothing but a waste of taxpayer dollars. You have folks who can't get
hired because they took bong hits in college, meanwhile the Vice
President himself has defrauded the USA of hundreds of billions of
dollars in shady no-bid contracts with Halliburton... this is one of
the same guys who sets the same security policies.


> Not sure if the last 2 Presidents could get one


Neither one would get clearance.


> and no telling how many in Congress would be in the same boat.


My point exactly. We need one set of standards and I don't trust
anyone who is currently in power to set those standards. I say we just
dispose of the entire concept.


> Hope all in the auto.Toyota group have a Happy and Safe New Year.
>
> cil
>
> " dbu," <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/
> > --
> >
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Re: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

Learning Richard, 1/3/2007, 3:30:42 PM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > and no telling how many in Congress would be in the same boat.

>
> My point exactly. We need one set of standards and I don't trust
> anyone who is currently in power to set those standards. I say we
> just dispose of the entire concept.


Throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Re: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

badgolferman wrote:
> Learning Richard, 1/3/2007, 3:30:42 PM,
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > and no telling how many in Congress would be in the same boat.

> >
> > My point exactly. We need one set of standards and I don't trust
> > anyone who is currently in power to set those standards. I say we
> > just dispose of the entire concept.

>
> Throw the baby out with the bath water.


No, just avoid giving the baby a bath until you can trust the bath
water.
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Re: Senator admitted trying cocaine in memoir written 11 years ago

Learning Richard, 1/3/2007, 3:34:45 PM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> badgolferman wrote:
> > Learning Richard, 1/3/2007, 3:30:42 PM,
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > and no telling how many in Congress would be in the same boat.
> > >
> > > My point exactly. We need one set of standards and I don't trust
> > > anyone who is currently in power to set those standards. I say we
> > > just dispose of the entire concept.

> >
> > Throw the baby out with the bath water.

>
> No, just avoid giving the baby a bath until you can trust the bath
> water.


Better yet, avoid having the baby. That way you won't have to abort it.
 
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