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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
[Last few paragraphs of what I found to be a thought-provoking article]

Late on Monday night, I will go through security at San Quentin prison
and get on a bus with a bunch of other reporters to go to the death
chamber and watch Williams die. They say we won't be allowed to bring
anything with us. They will issue us a pencil and notebook.

I have seen people die before. I've seen them die by gunshot, disease
and in a flaming car. I've seen the aftermath of a car bombing in
Baghdad. But I've never seen a man walk into a room healthy, and be
rolled out 15 minutes later dead on a gurney.

My wife says her stomach is churning at the prospect of me watching
this. I've been thinking about how far my world is from Tookie's.

The last few days, I've been dancing with my nine-year-old daughter in
the annual "Nutcracker" ballet at her school. It's incredibly sweet.

I've been thinking how I will never know Tookie Williams and his world,
and he will never know mine.

<http://abcnews.go.com/US/WNT/story?id=1395059>
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Apparently the writer has never visited City Hospital in NYC, if that is the
case. ;)

mike hunt


"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> [Last few paragraphs of what I found to be a thought-provoking article]
>
> Late on Monday night, I will go through security at San Quentin prison
> and get on a bus with a bunch of other reporters to go to the death
> chamber and watch Williams die. They say we won't be allowed to bring
> anything with us. They will issue us a pencil and notebook.
>
> I have seen people die before. I've seen them die by gunshot, disease
> and in a flaming car. I've seen the aftermath of a car bombing in
> Baghdad. But I've never seen a man walk into a room healthy, and be
> rolled out 15 minutes later dead on a gurney.
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,2:02:22 PM, wrote:

[snipped bleeding heart ooze]

> I've been thinking how I will never know Tookie Williams and his
> world, and he will never know mine.


And neither will the family of the people he murdered in cold blood
know their loved ones.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:37:38 +0000, badgolferman spake:

> Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,2:02:22 PM, wrote:
>
> [snipped bleeding heart ooze]
>
>> I've been thinking how I will never know Tookie Williams and his
>> world, and he will never know mine.

>
> And neither will the family of the people he murdered in cold blood
> know their loved ones.


Prove that he murdered them.

Oh, you can't.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,2:41:01 PM, wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:37:38 +0000, badgolferman spake:
>
> > Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,2:02:22 PM, wrote:
> >
> > [snipped bleeding heart ooze]
> >
> >> I've been thinking how I will never know Tookie Williams and his
> >> world, and he will never know mine.

> >
> > And neither will the family of the people he murdered in cold blood
> > know their loved ones.

>
> Prove that he murdered them.
>
> Oh, you can't.


That's not my job, Mr. Defense Attorney. Apparently no other lawyer
has been able to do that either.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
badgolferman wrote:
> Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,2:41:01 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:37:38 +0000, badgolferman spake:
> >
> > > Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,2:02:22 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > [snipped bleeding heart ooze]
> > >
> > >> I've been thinking how I will never know Tookie Williams and his
> > >> world, and he will never know mine.
> > >
> > > And neither will the family of the people he murdered in cold blood
> > > know their loved ones.

> >
> > Prove that he murdered them.
> >
> > Oh, you can't.

>
> That's not my job, Mr. Defense Attorney. Apparently no other lawyer
> has been able to do that either.


There's quite a bit of doubt that he committed the crimes in a great
deal of folks' minds. Therefore, he should get life without parole.

Notwithstanding any good he may have done in society.

Then again, as you may have guessed, I don't feel comfortable knowing
that the government has a right to exterminate me.
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
> Then again, as you may have guessed, I don't feel comfortable knowing
> that the government has a right to exterminate me.


If you weren't such a pest neither would we.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:53:06 +0000, Mark spake:

>> Then again, as you may have guessed, I don't feel comfortable knowing
>> that the government has a right to exterminate me.

>
> If you weren't such a pest neither would we.


You're my biggest fan... sweetie
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
On 11 Dec 2005 11:46:12 -0800, "Learning Richard"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>badgolferman wrote:
>> Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,2:41:01 PM, wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:37:38 +0000, badgolferman spake:
>> >
>> > > Learning Richard, 12/11/2005,2:02:22 PM, wrote:
>> > >
>> > > [snipped bleeding heart ooze]
>> > >
>> > >> I've been thinking how I will never know Tookie Williams and his
>> > >> world, and he will never know mine.
>> > >
>> > > And neither will the family of the people he murdered in cold blood
>> > > know their loved ones.
>> >
>> > Prove that he murdered them.
>> >
>> > Oh, you can't.

>>
>> That's not my job, Mr. Defense Attorney. Apparently no other lawyer
>> has been able to do that either.

>
>There's quite a bit of doubt that he committed the crimes in a great
>deal of folks' minds. Therefore, he should get life without parole.
>
>Notwithstanding any good he may have done in society.
>
>Then again, as you may have guessed, I don't feel comfortable knowing
>that the government has a right to exterminate me.


Yes if I were you....I'd worry about the government exterminating
you....LOL


--

Scott in Florida
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Mark wrote:
> These pleas for clemency are hilarious, asking Arnold to be
> "Kindergarten Cop" instead of "Terminator". Typical liberal detachment
> from reality...
>
> http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1784153.php
>
> I say fry'im, shoot'im, whatever it takes to get him off the taxpayers'
> backs after 24 years. What a load of crap that is.


If we're lucky, you'll be falsely convicted and sentenced to the lethal
drip.

Not that I'm saying Tookie was falsely convicted... but I'm about as
qualified to say either way as my cat is.

Mark, you are so hopeless. But if I find out you're facing the drip,
I'll take the same position on your behalf.
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Mike Hunter wrote:
> Apparently the writer has never visited City Hospital in NYC, if that is the
> case. ;)
>
> mike hunt


Oh? Are you an ER doctor this week, too?
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Don't worry Richard, if you are convicted, I will be glad to complete
the circuit for you, and it won't take 24 years either.
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> [Last few paragraphs of what I found to be a thought-provoking article]
>
> Late on Monday night, I will go through security at San Quentin prison
> and get on a bus with a bunch of other reporters to go to the death
> chamber and watch Williams die. They say we won't be allowed to bring
> anything with us. They will issue us a pencil and notebook.
>
> I have seen people die before. I've seen them die by gunshot, disease
> and in a flaming car. I've seen the aftermath of a car bombing in
> Baghdad. But I've never seen a man walk into a room healthy, and be
> rolled out 15 minutes later dead on a gurney.
>
> My wife says her stomach is churning at the prospect of me watching
> this. I've been thinking about how far my world is from Tookie's.
>
> The last few days, I've been dancing with my nine-year-old daughter in
> the annual "Nutcracker" ballet at her school. It's incredibly sweet.
>
> I've been thinking how I will never know Tookie Williams and his world,
> and he will never know mine.
>
> <http://abcnews.go.com/US/WNT/story?id=1395059>
>


Didn't he run the crypts gang and was responsible for at least 4 deaths? I
think Arnold will stay his execution, give this guy a life sentence instead.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Mark wrote:
> Don't worry Richard, if you are convicted, I will be glad to complete
> the circuit for you, and it won't take 24 years either.


Your hatred of me is taking years off of your life, sweetie.

xox,

LR
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:113[email protected]
> These pleas for clemency are hilarious, asking Arnold to be
> "Kindergarten Cop" instead of "Terminator". Typical liberal detachment
> from reality...
>
> http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1784153.php
>
> I say fry'im, shoot'im, whatever it takes to get him off the taxpayers'
> backs after 24 years. What a load of crap that is.
>


My sister is an assistant DA in Chicago, and from what she told me, it costs
more to execute someone than to send him to life in prison. I didnt bother
checking this fact, but I heard it from another source once or twice.
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Dan J.S. wrote:
> "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > These pleas for clemency are hilarious, asking Arnold to be
> > "Kindergarten Cop" instead of "Terminator". Typical liberal detachment
> > from reality...
> >
> > http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1784153.php
> >
> > I say fry'im, shoot'im, whatever it takes to get him off the taxpayers'
> > backs after 24 years. What a load of crap that is.
> >

>
> My sister is an assistant DA in Chicago, and from what she told me, it costs
> more to execute someone than to send him to life in prison. I didnt bother
> checking this fact, but I heard it from another source once or twice.


Oh yeah. I've heard this anecdotally several times. It makes sense
too.

BUT -- Dan, you're missing Mark's main point... namely that California
is about to kill a black man, and he wants nothing to stop that!

After all, we all know how Mark feels about minorities:

Mark, on helping Hurricane Katrina survivors
<[email protected]>,
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.toyota/msg/4ead0de3bceee6a5 :
All someone needs to do is shoot about a dozen of them and it would
quickly come to an end.
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Dan J.S. wrote:
> "Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > [Last few paragraphs of what I found to be a thought-provoking article]
> >
> > Late on Monday night, I will go through security at San Quentin prison
> > and get on a bus with a bunch of other reporters to go to the death
> > chamber and watch Williams die. They say we won't be allowed to bring
> > anything with us. They will issue us a pencil and notebook.
> >
> > I have seen people die before. I've seen them die by gunshot, disease
> > and in a flaming car. I've seen the aftermath of a car bombing in
> > Baghdad. But I've never seen a man walk into a room healthy, and be
> > rolled out 15 minutes later dead on a gurney.
> >
> > My wife says her stomach is churning at the prospect of me watching
> > this. I've been thinking about how far my world is from Tookie's.
> >
> > The last few days, I've been dancing with my nine-year-old daughter in
> > the annual "Nutcracker" ballet at her school. It's incredibly sweet.
> >
> > I've been thinking how I will never know Tookie Williams and his world,
> > and he will never know mine.
> >
> > <http://abcnews.go.com/US/WNT/story?id=1395059>
> >

>
> Didn't he run the crypts gang and was responsible for at least 4 deaths? I
> think Arnold will stay his execution, give this guy a life sentence instead.


Well, as you could guess I'm against the Death Penalty for a ton of
bona fide, objective reasons. So, I automatically agree with you.

As far as the 4 deaths.... no one knows. A black man would've been
virtually guaranteed to not get a fair trial at the time he was
convicted. If your sister is honest with you, she would probably agree
with that statement.

As far as the cryps... he was just being an enterprising young man.
Besides, he isn't really the father of the cryps anyway. They had been
formed for a couple of years before he came along.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
>> My sister is an assistant DA in Chicago, and from what she told me, it
>> costs
>> more to execute someone than to send him to life in prison. I didnt
>> bother
>> checking this fact, but I heard it from another source once or twice.

>
> Oh yeah. I've heard this anecdotally several times. It makes sense
> too.
>
> BUT -- Dan, you're missing Mark's main point... namely that California
> is about to kill a black man, and he wants nothing to stop that!
>
> After all, we all know how Mark feels about minorities:
>
> Mark, on helping Hurricane Katrina survivors



Tookie admitted he was a leader of the crypts. I am sure that one would need
to commit some serious acts to get there.

Would I want him to die? Probably not, seems he really made something of his
"in-jail" life. But he should get no less than life sentence. Minority or
not.
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:04:25 -0600, "Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> These pleas for clemency are hilarious, asking Arnold to be
>> "Kindergarten Cop" instead of "Terminator". Typical liberal detachment
>> from reality...
>>
>> http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1784153.php
>>
>> I say fry'im, shoot'im, whatever it takes to get him off the taxpayers'
>> backs after 24 years. What a load of crap that is.
>>

>
>My sister is an assistant DA in Chicago, and from what she told me, it costs
>more to execute someone than to send him to life in prison. I didnt bother
>checking this fact, but I heard it from another source once or twice.
>


Not when I do it....

BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM....

<g>

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Scott in Florida
 
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