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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader whose case
stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
redemption on death row.


MORE...

<http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Learning Richard, 12/12/2005,4:09:52 PM, wrote:

> SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
> clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams,


Yet another indication to you that the man is not the angel you think
he is.

--
"Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."
~ Flannery O'Connor
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Took, Took, Tookie, GOODBYE!


"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
> clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader whose case
> stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
> redemption on death row.
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> MORE...
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> <http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Pppppppppphhhhhhheeeeewww!!!!!! For a while I thought that Arnold
would cave.

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PcolaPhil


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“If you can’t be happy where you are, it’s a cinch you won’t be
happy where you ain’t.”



"end_is_near1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| Took, Took, Tookie, GOODBYE!
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| "Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| news:[email protected]
| > SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
| > clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader
whose case
| > stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
| > redemption on death row.
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| > MORE...
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| > <http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
me too. Especially since he waited so long. Huge relief!


"Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Pppppppppphhhhhhheeeeewww!!!!!! For a while I thought that Arnold
> would cave.
>
> --
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> PcolaPhil
>
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> To <Reply> Remove -SPAMNOT-
>
>
> “If you can’t be happy where you are, it’s a cinch you won’t be
> happy where you ain’t.”
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>
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> "end_is_near1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> | Took, Took, Tookie, GOODBYE!
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> | "Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> | news:[email protected]
> | > SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
> | > clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader
> whose case
> | > stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
> | > redemption on death row.
> | >
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> | > MORE...
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> | > <http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
> clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader whose case
> stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
> redemption on death row.
>
>
> MORE...
>
> <http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>
>


On fark.com they call him tookie the wookie....
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
> clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader whose case
> stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
> redemption on death row.
>
>
> MORE...
>
> <http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>
>


Will tomorrow's headline be:

California tookie too long.
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:59:31 -0600, "Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
>> clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader whose case
>> stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
>> redemption on death row.
>>
>>
>> MORE...
>>
>> <http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>
>>

>
>Will tomorrow's headline be:
>
>California tookie too long.
>
>


LOL...

They shut down our electric chair in Florida.

That used to be a lot of fun....when Old Sparky was in operation...

Oh well....the 'new age' way to die with drugs...gets the job done
just as well, I guess...

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Scott in Florida
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:45:56 -0500, Scott in Florida
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:59:31 -0600, "Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>> SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
>>> clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader whose case
>>> stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
>>> redemption on death row.
>>>
>>>
>>> MORE...
>>>
>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>
>>>

>>
>>Will tomorrow's headline be:
>>
>>California tookie too long.
>>
>>

>
>LOL...
>
>They shut down our electric chair in Florida.
>
>That used to be a lot of fun....when Old Sparky was in operation...
>
>Oh well....the 'new age' way to die with drugs...gets the job done
>just as well, I guess...


<sigh> Yea, no kidding...sometimes, some things just need a rope,
though.... in this case, this bastard just gets to take a permanent
nap.

His victims sure didn't get the same treatment.

-LMB
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
wasn't there a flaming Cuban there a few years ago in Florida before they
shut down the Chair? I enjoyed that one. Like, his hair caught fire or
some such.
>>
>>They shut down our electric chair in Florida.
>>
>>That used to be a lot of fun....when Old Sparky was in operation...
>>
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
"end_is_near1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> wasn't there a flaming Cuban there a few years ago in Florida before they
> shut down the Chair? I enjoyed that one. Like, his hair caught fire or
> some such.


Rumours have it that if the condemned murderer was a real asshole on death
role, on occasion those running the execution in states using the electric
chair would ensure that electrical conductivity was less than ideal, causing
eyeballs to pop out, fat to fry and much sparking and smoking. Death or even
unconsciousness would NOT be immediate. Now, if someone could kindly post a
URL for video, perhaps it WOULD act as deterrent to some of the idiots who
kill with abandon.





>>>
>>>They shut down our electric chair in Florida.
>>>
>>>That used to be a lot of fun....when Old Sparky was in operation...
>>>

>
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:41:34 GMT, "Sharx35" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"end_is_near1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> wasn't there a flaming Cuban there a few years ago in Florida before they
>> shut down the Chair? I enjoyed that one. Like, his hair caught fire or
>> some such.

>
>Rumours have it that if the condemned murderer was a real asshole on death
>role, on occasion those running the execution in states using the electric
>chair would ensure that electrical conductivity was less than ideal, causing
>eyeballs to pop out, fat to fry and much sparking and smoking. Death or even
>unconsciousness would NOT be immediate. Now, if someone could kindly post a
>URL for video, perhaps it WOULD act as deterrent to some of the idiots who
>kill with abandon.


Especially those that do shit like this:

http://www.lacountyda.org/pdf/swilliams.pdf

-LMB
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Louis M. Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:41:34 GMT, "Sharx35" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"end_is_near1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>> wasn't there a flaming Cuban there a few years ago in Florida before they
>>> shut down the Chair? I enjoyed that one. Like, his hair caught fire or
>>> some such.

>>
>>Rumours have it that if the condemned murderer was a real asshole on death
>>role, on occasion those running the execution in states using the electric
>>chair would ensure that electrical conductivity was less than ideal, causing
>>eyeballs to pop out, fat to fry and much sparking and smoking. Death or even
>>unconsciousness would NOT be immediate. Now, if someone could kindly post a
>>URL for video, perhaps it WOULD act as deterrent to some of the idiots who
>>kill with abandon.

>
>Especially those that do shit like this:
>
>http://www.lacountyda.org/pdf/swilliams.pdf
>
>-LMB


I agree, it's because of shit like this that we should retain the
DP...I used to be very much against it because of the chance for
error but in modern times, with all the scientific means we have
at our disposal, I suppose that the chance of making an error is
about nil.

Animals such as these need exterminating no less than other
deadly pests and diseases.
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
the essence of the story is that he brutally slaughtered four people
(including an entire family) with a sawed-off shotgun during robberies. I
haven't seen this .pdf, but I suspect that it shows a picture, for example,
of a pretty young girl whose face he blew off. That picture I *have* seen.

testimony at trial revealed him bragging about having killed "buddha heads"
(the family was Asian) and mocking the gurgling death sounds of one of his
victims. He refused to admit to his crimes and thus could not show remorse,
and I, for one (but comfortably among millions of others) are glad he is
gone! Goodbye for good, Tookie. And now all the idiotic Hollywood vermin
have crawled back into the woodwork and under their rocks.


"Realto Margarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Louis M. Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Especially those that do shit like this:

>
>>http://www.lacountyda.org/pdf/swilliams.pdf

>
> It seems they have taken this page down. Perhaps you could give us
> the essence of the story?
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:41:34 GMT, "Sharx35" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"end_is_near1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> wasn't there a flaming Cuban there a few years ago in Florida before they
>> shut down the Chair? I enjoyed that one. Like, his hair caught fire or
>> some such.

>
>Rumours have it that if the condemned murderer was a real asshole on death
>role, on occasion those running the execution in states using the electric
>chair would ensure that electrical conductivity was less than ideal, causing
>eyeballs to pop out, fat to fry and much sparking and smoking. Death or even
>unconsciousness would NOT be immediate. Now, if someone could kindly post a
>URL for video, perhaps it WOULD act as deterrent to some of the idiots who
>kill with abandon.
>


Alas 'Old Sparkie' was shut down here in Florida.

It was located in Starke Florida....right on my way to the frozen
country on Rt 301.

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=&csz=starke+fl&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

I bow my head when I pass thru the city now....LOL

.....The only thing remarkable about Starke now is that it is a speed
trap.

Oh well....they fried a LOT of killers there before we bowed down to
the libs and started killing the killers with lethal injections.
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http://www.angelfire.com/ia/justice/OldSparky.html

The story of Old Sparky

By SYDNEY P. FREEDBERG

© St. Petersburg Times, published September 25, 1999

It has inspired late-night jokes about sizzling bacon and T-shirts
declaring "Only Sissies Use Injections."

It has endured lawsuits, constant criticism and even the visual impact
of gruesome photos of Allen Lee "Tiny" Davis moments after he was
electrocuted in July.

And now, once again, Florida's electric chair -- one of the most
colorful and notorious execution devices in U.S. history -- has
survived another challenge before the Florida Supreme Court.

Robert Snyder, a professor of American Studies at the University of
South Florida, credits the chair's longevity to "a kind of frontier,
eye-for-an-eye mentality in Florida." Its staying power, he says, "is
a testament to people who want to protect old ways."

The electric chair was born in the 1880s, an outgrowth of a marketing
battle between electricity titans George Westinghouse and Thomas
Edison. It had an odd coterie of pro- and anti-death-penalty
supporters who saw it as a quick, more humane alternative to public
hangings.

"The electric chair was seen as a technological miracle," said Craig
Brandon, author of The Electric Chair. "It seemed like magic."

But there was no magic when New York became the first state to use the
chair, putting William Kemmler to death on Aug. 6, 1890. Witnesses
said the convicted wife-killer smoked and bled, and they reported
smelling charred flesh.

"They could have done better with an axe," Westinghouse ruefully
acknowledged.

Amid rising homicide rates and a growing public demand for law and
order, the chair's popularity grew. Fourteen states were already using
it when Florida sheriffs, tired of presiding over hangings, persuaded
the Legislature to replace the noose with a chair in 1923. A death
chamber was built at the prison in Raiford.

Dr. Ralph Greene Sr. of Jacksonville, a state health official, later
said he devised the chair and built the head electrode like a "helmet
.. . . with felt, mesh wire and straps." It featured homemade
accessories, such as a leg electrode made from an old Army boot and
some roofing copper, and was wired by Westinghouse.

Although prison officials boasted that inmates cut down an oak tree
and constructed it for free in Raiford's sawmill and carpentry shops,
the Jacksonville Journal reported it was made at Cook's Cabinet Shop
on Newman Street in Jacksonville.

Frank Johnson became the first to die in the new chair. On Oct. 7,
1924, the Duval County man, convicted of killing a railroad engineer
for his watch and $100 cash, was electrocuted before 12 witnesses.

The chair quickly earned the names "Old Sparky" and "Old Smokey," and
for the next few decades, about five inmates a year were electrocuted.

The job of pulling the switch fell to the sheriff in the county where
the crime had been committed. But when Jim Williams was condemned for
killing his wife in 1926, Sheriff J.C. Blith asked two deputies to do
the job. Both refused.

For 10 minutes, Williams sat strapped in while Blith and a deputy
argued. The sheriff finally ordered Williams back to his cell. Some
years later, he was pardoned after he jumped off a prison truck and
saved a woman and her baby from a mad bull.

One of the most famous people to die in the chair was Giuseppe
"Joseph" Zangara. He fatally wounded Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak during
an attempt to assassinate President-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt in
Miami.

"I'm not afraid of the chair," said Zangara, who hurled invectives at
"capitalists" before Dade Sheriff Dan Hardie pulled the switch on
March 20, 1933. "See?"

There has always been something "eerily medieval" about electrocutions
in Florida and elsewhere, author Brandon noted. As the condemned walks
down a 40-foot corridor to the Florida death house, the warden and
guards follow silently.

A black-hooded executioner was added in 1941, replacing the sheriffs.
The Legislature authorized a fee of $150 per execution and agreed that
his identity would be kept secret.

By 1945, the chair had lost its magic in at least one state, North
Carolina, which switched to lethal gas. But in Florida, where vomit
bags were sometimes issued to the official witnesses, some
office-holders pushed to make Old Sparky more public.

Sen. Charles E. Johns of Starke proposed a portable chair, to be
transported by truck with an electric generator and set up in a jail
or a courthouse where the convicted was sentenced -- much as in the
days of public hangings.

The proposal failed, but the chair's continuing popularity spoke to
Floridians' basic fears about crime and revealed much about the
South's vigilante tradition, said professor Snyder.

"There's always been a sense in Florida that if you feel you have been
victimized, you have an obligation to protect your honor by avenging
what has taken place," Snyder said. "A sort of bestial spirit resides
deep within the heart of people in Florida. When it comes to meting
out punishment, this naturally translates into continuing use of one
of the more brutal, callous ways of legally executing a person."

By the early 1960s, the nation's death-penalty laws were under attack
by critics who contended that capital punishment was meted out in an
arbitrary way. In Florida, defense attorneys produced statistics
showing that two-thirds of the 196 men executed in the chair were
black, and for 15 years the Florida chair went unused.

In 1972, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the death penalty, ruling
that it had been applied unfairly. Florida and other states rushed to
rewrite less-arbitrary laws.

When the court upheld them four years later, Oklahoma became the first
state to switch to lethal injection. Texas, worried about the
possibility of a televised death in the electric chair, followed suit
and became the first state to use the method in 1982.

But Florida was determined to keep Old Sparky and its time-honored
death rituals.

The first to die when executions resumed in Florida was John
Spenkelink, a white man condemned for murdering his roommate in a
Tallahassee motel.

In vain, Spenkelink's lawyers -- among them David Kendall, who later
became President Clinton's private attorney -- argued that the
electric chair was "unnecessarily torturous and wantonly cruel."

On May 25, 1979, Spenkelink, 30, was given two shots of whiskey, then
executed in front of 32 witnesses, including 10 reporters.

It took three jolts to kill him. But because the venetian blinds
separating the witness section from the death chamber were closed
until Spenkelink was strapped in, witnesses did not get a good look.
Spenkelink had straps drawn tightly across his mouth and was denied a
final statement by prison officials.

After the execution, rumors spread that a fighting, shouting
Spenkelink had been dragged to the chair, gagged and beaten, so
officials decided to leave the blinds open the next time. And after
Spenkelink's body was exhumed for an autopsy, the state decided to
perform autopsies on all executed inmates, a job that fell to William
Hamilton, the Gainesville-area medical examiner.

Hamilton's reports on electrocuted inmates gave ammunition to critics
of the chair. Though he has consistently maintained that the jolt of
electricity causes nearly instant and painless death, his autopsy
photographs depicting burned inmates have been used by scientists as
evidence of the mutilating effects of electricity.

What's more, new research into the way the human brain processes pain
began to accumulate. It suggested that because the skull insulates the
brain from an electric current, some inmates might experience a slow
motion death of boiling body parts, paralyzing muscle contractions and
intense pain.

By 1986, 19 capital-punishment states had switched to lethal
injection. Florida's chair, meantime, became the nation's busiest
instrument of death, with the most prisoners in line for execution.

In an age of guns, gore and drugs, office-seekers hoping to prove they
were tough on crime used images of Old Sparky in political ads.
Sometimes, they invoked the name of Ted Bundy, the serial killer who
abducted, raped and murdered women in a cross-country carnage.

During his campaign for governor in 1986, for example, Tampa Mayor Bob
Martinez vowed that if he was elected, "Florida's electric bill will
go up." Two years after he was sworn in, he signed Bundy's warrant,
and on Jan. 24, 1989, Bundy went to his death.

In the years that followed, executions increasingly took on
entertainment value as David Letterman and Jay Leno cracked jokes
about the chair. Time magazine listed it as a big winner of the 1994
elections.

Seventeen months after Bundy's execution, witness accounts of flames
shooting from the head of convicted cop killer Jesse Tafero made
headlines around the world. For four minutes, Tafero, 43, clenched his
fists, convulsed and appeared to breathe deeply as smoke and sparks
shot out of his death mask.

State-hired experts blamed a sponge in his headpiece that didn't
properly conduct electricity. But a former maker of electric chairs
said the chair's aging electrodes caused Tafero to be burned alive.

Two federal judges ruled that Tafero's death wasn't unconstitutionally
cruel. But after a botched execution in Virginia in 1993, three U.S.
Supreme Court justices hinted that old court decisions might no longer
apply in light of modern evidence of electrocution's effect on the
body.

The debate over Old Sparky stalled Florida's execution engine. In
1996, the Office of Capital Collateral Representative, which
represents death row inmates, turned up the pressure by filing a court
motion to have the execution of John Bush videotaped.

When the court refused, chair opponents began collecting autopsy data
and amassing affidavits from anti-chair scientists.

Then, on March 25, 1997, flames leaped from the death cap of Pedro
Medina. Again, a sponge was blamed.

Medina's execution led to the fiercest battle yet about the old
killer. The Florida Supreme Court put executions on hold as courts
held new hearings.

Ultimately, the court cleared the chair in a 4-3 decision, but
dissenting justices likened it to a time capsule from another age and
electrocution to a contemporary burning at the stake, a
Frankenstein-like spectacle.

The justices and an independent commission again urged lawmakers to
switch to lethal injection. But again, the Legislature voted to retain
the chair, 36-0 in the Senate and 103-6 in the House.

The decision came despite two 1997 polls suggesting Floridians were
ready to banish Old Sparky, and last year, the Legislature passed a
bill authorizing lethal injection -- but only if the courts were to
retire the chair.

Lawton Chiles presided over 17 executions during his two terms as
governor in the 1990s, including that of Judi Buenoano, 54, the only
woman ever electrocuted in Florida (she poisoned her husbands), and
Leo Jones, 47, who challenged the constitutionality of the chair and
convinced many observers that he might have been innocent.

With each death came more controversy, more court briefs.

Kentucky and Tennessee switched to lethal injection, making Old Sparky
a true rarity. Only three other states -- Georgia, Alabama and
Nebraska, which has a moratorium on capital punishment pending a
review -- still relied solely on electrocution by the end of 1998.

Earlier this year, corrections officials decided that Old Sparky,
whose wood was cracking, needed to be replaced. They worried it might
break under the strain of Allen Davis' 344-pound frame.

They paid $706.40 for the red oak lumber to build a new chair, which
has an adjustable headrest and a higher seat that prison officials
said would be "more accommodating" to bigger inmates. But the
electrical components, dating back to 1961, remained the same.

During Davis' execution on July 8, some witnesses gasped as blood
flowed from under his death mask and soaked his white shirt. Gov. Jeb
Bush attributed it to a minor nosebleed, and legislative leaders vowed
to continue using the chair. But the Florida Supreme Court postponed
the execution of Thomas Provenzano the next day and ordered another
hearing.

Later that month, scientists faced off in an Orlando courtroom to
debate whether Davis, 54, condemned for murdering a Jacksonville woman
and her two daughters, had suffered pain.

Key to the debate were photographs of Davis taken moments after his
death. In the pictures, the first ever released of an electrocution,
Davis' face is contorted and purple. His nose appears to be crushed by
the leather chin and mouthstraps that tied him to the chair.

Retired Circuit Judge Clarence Johnson ruled that the thick brown
mouthstrap might have caused Davis some discomfort but that the
chair's electrical circuitry functioned as intended.

Later, however, when the seven Supreme Court justices looked at the
pictures, some were stunned.

"Can you hold that picture up to the people of the state and say this
is what we want to do?" Justice Harry Lee Anstead asked Richard
Martell, Florida's chief lawyer for death-penalty appeals.

On Friday, Anstead was in the minority as once again the court upheld
the constitutionality of the chair.

And at Florida State Prison, officials continued making preparations
for the executions next month of two more inmates.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>They shut down our electric chair in Florida.
>>>>
>>>>That used to be a lot of fun....when Old Sparky was in operation...
>>>>

>>
>>

>

--

Scott in Florida
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
Scott in Florida <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:41:34 GMT, "Sharx35" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"end_is_near1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]
> >> wasn't there a flaming Cuban there a few years ago in Florida before they
> >> shut down the Chair? I enjoyed that one. Like, his hair caught fire or
> >> some such.

> >
> >Rumours have it that if the condemned murderer was a real asshole on death
> >role, on occasion those running the execution in states using the electric
> >chair would ensure that electrical conductivity was less than ideal, causing
> >eyeballs to pop out, fat to fry and much sparking and smoking. Death or even
> >unconsciousness would NOT be immediate. Now, if someone could kindly post a
> >URL for video, perhaps it WOULD act as deterrent to some of the idiots who
> >kill with abandon.
> >

>
> Alas 'Old Sparkie' was shut down here in Florida.
>
> It was located in Starke Florida....right on my way to the frozen
> country on Rt 301.
>
> http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=&csz=starke+fl&country=us&new=1&name=&q
> ty=
>
> I bow my head when I pass thru the city now....LOL
>
> ....The only thing remarkable about Starke now is that it is a speed
> trap.
>
> Oh well....they fried a LOT of killers there before we bowed down to
> the libs and started killing the killers with lethal injections.
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ia/justice/OldSparky.html
>
> The story of Old Sparky
>
> By SYDNEY P. FREEDBERG
>
> © St. Petersburg Times, published September 25, 1999
>
> It has inspired late-night jokes about sizzling bacon and T-shirts
> declaring "Only Sissies Use Injections."
>
> It has endured lawsuits, constant criticism and even the visual impact
> of gruesome photos of Allen Lee "Tiny" Davis moments after he was
> electrocuted in July.
>
> And now, once again, Florida's electric chair -- one of the most
> colorful and notorious execution devices in U.S. history -- has
> survived another challenge before the Florida Supreme Court.
>
> Robert Snyder, a professor of American Studies at the University of
> South Florida, credits the chair's longevity to "a kind of frontier,
> eye-for-an-eye mentality in Florida." Its staying power, he says, "is
> a testament to people who want to protect old ways."
>
> The electric chair was born in the 1880s, an outgrowth of a marketing
> battle between electricity titans George Westinghouse and Thomas
> Edison. It had an odd coterie of pro- and anti-death-penalty
> supporters who saw it as a quick, more humane alternative to public
> hangings.
>
> "The electric chair was seen as a technological miracle," said Craig
> Brandon, author of The Electric Chair. "It seemed like magic."
>
> But there was no magic when New York became the first state to use the
> chair, putting William Kemmler to death on Aug. 6, 1890. Witnesses
> said the convicted wife-killer smoked and bled, and they reported
> smelling charred flesh.
>
> "They could have done better with an axe," Westinghouse ruefully
> acknowledged.
>
> Amid rising homicide rates and a growing public demand for law and
> order, the chair's popularity grew. Fourteen states were already using
> it when Florida sheriffs, tired of presiding over hangings, persuaded
> the Legislature to replace the noose with a chair in 1923. A death
> chamber was built at the prison in Raiford.
>
> Dr. Ralph Greene Sr. of Jacksonville, a state health official, later
> said he devised the chair and built the head electrode like a "helmet
> . . . with felt, mesh wire and straps." It featured homemade
> accessories, such as a leg electrode made from an old Army boot and
> some roofing copper, and was wired by Westinghouse.
>
> Although prison officials boasted that inmates cut down an oak tree
> and constructed it for free in Raiford's sawmill and carpentry shops,
> the Jacksonville Journal reported it was made at Cook's Cabinet Shop
> on Newman Street in Jacksonville.
>
> Frank Johnson became the first to die in the new chair. On Oct. 7,
> 1924, the Duval County man, convicted of killing a railroad engineer
> for his watch and $100 cash, was electrocuted before 12 witnesses.
>
> The chair quickly earned the names "Old Sparky" and "Old Smokey," and
> for the next few decades, about five inmates a year were electrocuted.
>
> The job of pulling the switch fell to the sheriff in the county where
> the crime had been committed. But when Jim Williams was condemned for
> killing his wife in 1926, Sheriff J.C. Blith asked two deputies to do
> the job. Both refused.
>
> For 10 minutes, Williams sat strapped in while Blith and a deputy
> argued. The sheriff finally ordered Williams back to his cell. Some
> years later, he was pardoned after he jumped off a prison truck and
> saved a woman and her baby from a mad bull.
>
> One of the most famous people to die in the chair was Giuseppe
> "Joseph" Zangara. He fatally wounded Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak during
> an attempt to assassinate President-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt in
> Miami.
>
> "I'm not afraid of the chair," said Zangara, who hurled invectives at
> "capitalists" before Dade Sheriff Dan Hardie pulled the switch on
> March 20, 1933. "See?"
>
> There has always been something "eerily medieval" about electrocutions
> in Florida and elsewhere, author Brandon noted. As the condemned walks
> down a 40-foot corridor to the Florida death house, the warden and
> guards follow silently.
>
> A black-hooded executioner was added in 1941, replacing the sheriffs.
> The Legislature authorized a fee of $150 per execution and agreed that
> his identity would be kept secret.
>
> By 1945, the chair had lost its magic in at least one state, North
> Carolina, which switched to lethal gas. But in Florida, where vomit
> bags were sometimes issued to the official witnesses, some
> office-holders pushed to make Old Sparky more public.
>
> Sen. Charles E. Johns of Starke proposed a portable chair, to be
> transported by truck with an electric generator and set up in a jail
> or a courthouse where the convicted was sentenced -- much as in the
> days of public hangings.
>
> The proposal failed, but the chair's continuing popularity spoke to
> Floridians' basic fears about crime and revealed much about the
> South's vigilante tradition, said professor Snyder.
>
> "There's always been a sense in Florida that if you feel you have been
> victimized, you have an obligation to protect your honor by avenging
> what has taken place," Snyder said. "A sort of bestial spirit resides
> deep within the heart of people in Florida. When it comes to meting
> out punishment, this naturally translates into continuing use of one
> of the more brutal, callous ways of legally executing a person."
>
> By the early 1960s, the nation's death-penalty laws were under attack
> by critics who contended that capital punishment was meted out in an
> arbitrary way. In Florida, defense attorneys produced statistics
> showing that two-thirds of the 196 men executed in the chair were
> black, and for 15 years the Florida chair went unused.
>
> In 1972, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the death penalty, ruling
> that it had been applied unfairly. Florida and other states rushed to
> rewrite less-arbitrary laws.
>
> When the court upheld them four years later, Oklahoma became the first
> state to switch to lethal injection. Texas, worried about the
> possibility of a televised death in the electric chair, followed suit
> and became the first state to use the method in 1982.
>
> But Florida was determined to keep Old Sparky and its time-honored
> death rituals.
>
> The first to die when executions resumed in Florida was John
> Spenkelink, a white man condemned for murdering his roommate in a
> Tallahassee motel.
>
> In vain, Spenkelink's lawyers -- among them David Kendall, who later
> became President Clinton's private attorney -- argued that the
> electric chair was "unnecessarily torturous and wantonly cruel."
>
> On May 25, 1979, Spenkelink, 30, was given two shots of whiskey, then
> executed in front of 32 witnesses, including 10 reporters.
>
> It took three jolts to kill him. But because the venetian blinds
> separating the witness section from the death chamber were closed
> until Spenkelink was strapped in, witnesses did not get a good look.
> Spenkelink had straps drawn tightly across his mouth and was denied a
> final statement by prison officials.
>
> After the execution, rumors spread that a fighting, shouting
> Spenkelink had been dragged to the chair, gagged and beaten, so
> officials decided to leave the blinds open the next time. And after
> Spenkelink's body was exhumed for an autopsy, the state decided to
> perform autopsies on all executed inmates, a job that fell to William
> Hamilton, the Gainesville-area medical examiner.
>
> Hamilton's reports on electrocuted inmates gave ammunition to critics
> of the chair. Though he has consistently maintained that the jolt of
> electricity causes nearly instant and painless death, his autopsy
> photographs depicting burned inmates have been used by scientists as
> evidence of the mutilating effects of electricity.
>
> What's more, new research into the way the human brain processes pain
> began to accumulate. It suggested that because the skull insulates the
> brain from an electric current, some inmates might experience a slow
> motion death of boiling body parts, paralyzing muscle contractions and
> intense pain.
>
> By 1986, 19 capital-punishment states had switched to lethal
> injection. Florida's chair, meantime, became the nation's busiest
> instrument of death, with the most prisoners in line for execution.
>
> In an age of guns, gore and drugs, office-seekers hoping to prove they
> were tough on crime used images of Old Sparky in political ads.
> Sometimes, they invoked the name of Ted Bundy, the serial killer who
> abducted, raped and murdered women in a cross-country carnage.
>
> During his campaign for governor in 1986, for example, Tampa Mayor Bob
> Martinez vowed that if he was elected, "Florida's electric bill will
> go up." Two years after he was sworn in, he signed Bundy's warrant,
> and on Jan. 24, 1989, Bundy went to his death.
>
> In the years that followed, executions increasingly took on
> entertainment value as David Letterman and Jay Leno cracked jokes
> about the chair. Time magazine listed it as a big winner of the 1994
> elections.
>
> Seventeen months after Bundy's execution, witness accounts of flames
> shooting from the head of convicted cop killer Jesse Tafero made
> headlines around the world. For four minutes, Tafero, 43, clenched his
> fists, convulsed and appeared to breathe deeply as smoke and sparks
> shot out of his death mask.
>
> State-hired experts blamed a sponge in his headpiece that didn't
> properly conduct electricity. But a former maker of electric chairs
> said the chair's aging electrodes caused Tafero to be burned alive.
>
> Two federal judges ruled that Tafero's death wasn't unconstitutionally
> cruel. But after a botched execution in Virginia in 1993, three U.S.
> Supreme Court justices hinted that old court decisions might no longer
> apply in light of modern evidence of electrocution's effect on the
> body.
>
> The debate over Old Sparky stalled Florida's execution engine. In
> 1996, the Office of Capital Collateral Representative, which
> represents death row inmates, turned up the pressure by filing a court
> motion to have the execution of John Bush videotaped.
>
> When the court refused, chair opponents began collecting autopsy data
> and amassing affidavits from anti-chair scientists.
>
> Then, on March 25, 1997, flames leaped from the death cap of Pedro
> Medina. Again, a sponge was blamed.
>
> Medina's execution led to the fiercest battle yet about the old
> killer. The Florida Supreme Court put executions on hold as courts
> held new hearings.
>
> Ultimately, the court cleared the chair in a 4-3 decision, but
> dissenting justices likened it to a time capsule from another age and
> electrocution to a contemporary burning at the stake, a
> Frankenstein-like spectacle.
>
> The justices and an independent commission again urged lawmakers to
> switch to lethal injection. But again, the Legislature voted to retain
> the chair, 36-0 in the Senate and 103-6 in the House.
>
> The decision came despite two 1997 polls suggesting Floridians were
> ready to banish Old Sparky, and last year, the Legislature passed a
> bill authorizing lethal injection -- but only if the courts were to
> retire the chair.
>
> Lawton Chiles presided over 17 executions during his two terms as
> governor in the 1990s, including that of Judi Buenoano, 54, the only
> woman ever electrocuted in Florida (she poisoned her husbands), and
> Leo Jones, 47, who challenged the constitutionality of the chair and
> convinced many observers that he might have been innocent.
>
> With each death came more controversy, more court briefs.
>
> Kentucky and Tennessee switched to lethal injection, making Old Sparky
> a true rarity. Only three other states -- Georgia, Alabama and
> Nebraska, which has a moratorium on capital punishment pending a
> review -- still relied solely on electrocution by the end of 1998.
>
> Earlier this year, corrections officials decided that Old Sparky,
> whose wood was cracking, needed to be replaced. They worried it might
> break under the strain of Allen Davis' 344-pound frame.
>
> They paid $706.40 for the red oak lumber to build a new chair, which
> has an adjustable headrest and a higher seat that prison officials
> said would be "more accommodating" to bigger inmates. But the
> electrical components, dating back to 1961, remained the same.
>
> During Davis' execution on July 8, some witnesses gasped as blood
> flowed from under his death mask and soaked his white shirt. Gov. Jeb
> Bush attributed it to a minor nosebleed, and legislative leaders vowed
> to continue using the chair. But the Florida Supreme Court postponed
> the execution of Thomas Provenzano the next day and ordered another
> hearing.
>
> Later that month, scientists faced off in an Orlando courtroom to
> debate whether Davis, 54, condemned for murdering a Jacksonville woman
> and her two daughters, had suffered pain.
>
> Key to the debate were photographs of Davis taken moments after his
> death. In the pictures, the first ever released of an electrocution,
> Davis' face is contorted and purple. His nose appears to be crushed by
> the leather chin and mouthstraps that tied him to the chair.
>
> Retired Circuit Judge Clarence Johnson ruled that the thick brown
> mouthstrap might have caused Davis some discomfort but that the
> chair's electrical circuitry functioned as intended.
>
> Later, however, when the seven Supreme Court justices looked at the
> pictures, some were stunned.
>
> "Can you hold that picture up to the people of the state and say this
> is what we want to do?" Justice Harry Lee Anstead asked Richard
> Martell, Florida's chief lawyer for death-penalty appeals.
>
> On Friday, Anstead was in the minority as once again the court upheld
> the constitutionality of the chair.
>
> And at Florida State Prison, officials continued making preparations
> for the executions next month of two more inmates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>They shut down our electric chair in Florida.
> >>>>
> >>>>That used to be a lot of fun....when Old Sparky was in operation...
> >>>>
> >>
> >>

> >


They used too high of a voltage, did not place the electrodes properly
and did not use a coupler or conductive material between the electrode
and the victims skin. You've heard of skin effect, well if the juice is
following the surface to the other electrode then shit happens but the
poor bastard still lives. If you are going to do a job then it must be
done correctly. Otherwise use the more efficient lethal injection. Or
just store him or her away in prison for the rest of their life. People
take their own lives by electrocution quite often, most by accident so
it can't be that hard to do. I've never had a chance to see one of
these, but it must be very dramatic. Perhaps to deter future murderers
we should be showing some of these executions on live TV. Wouldn't that
be a hoot.
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:09:52 -0800, Learning Richard wrote:

> SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied
> clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams, the former gang leader whose case
> stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of
> redemption on death row.
>
>
> MORE...
>
> <http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1398396>


Hmmm....did Tookie give any clemency to the 4 people he murdered?

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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Sharx35 wrote:
> "end_is_near1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > wasn't there a flaming Cuban there a few years ago in Florida before they
> > shut down the Chair? I enjoyed that one. Like, his hair caught fire or
> > some such.

>
> Rumours have it that if the condemned murderer was a real asshole on death
> role, on occasion those running the execution in states using the electric
> chair would ensure that electrical conductivity was less than ideal, causing
> eyeballs to pop out, fat to fry and much sparking and smoking. Death or even
> unconsciousness would NOT be immediate. Now, if someone could kindly post a
> URL for video, perhaps it WOULD act as deterrent to some of the idiots who
> kill with abandon.


Need something to whack off too, Menhaden? You get off looking at
charred dead bodies? I sure wouldn't want to meet you and end_is_near
in a dark alley. Yikes.

You are one sick fuck, my friend. Man.... one sick fuck.
 
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