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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051208-121139-8397r.htm

Christmas is alive and well at the White House despite the fact that
the name of the holiday does not appear on the 2005 greeting cards of
President Bush and first lady Laura Bush.

There's an 18-foot Christmas tree in the Blue Room and an 18th-century
Italian creche in the East Room. Official White House Christmas
ornaments are for sale, and presidential aides and advisers wish one
another "Merry Christmas."

But conservatives are rankled that the word "Christmas" doesn't appear
anywhere on the official White House card -- 1.4 million copies of
which were mailed to presidential friends and supporters.

The card features a snowy scene of the South Portico by artist Jamie
Wyeth, a quotation from Psalm 28, and the message: "With best wishes
for a holiday season of hope and happiness 2005."

[remainder snipped]

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"The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both
national parties."
~ Patrick J. Buchanan
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
"badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
> -----------------------------------------
>
> http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051208-121139-8397r.htm
>
> Christmas is alive and well at the White House despite the fact that
> the name of the holiday does not appear on the 2005 greeting cards of
> President Bush and first lady Laura Bush.
>
> There's an 18-foot Christmas tree in the Blue Room and an 18th-century
> Italian creche in the East Room. Official White House Christmas
> ornaments are for sale, and presidential aides and advisers wish one
> another "Merry Christmas."
>
> But conservatives are rankled that the word "Christmas" doesn't appear
> anywhere on the official White House card -- 1.4 million copies of
> which were mailed to presidential friends and supporters.
>
> The card features a snowy scene of the South Portico by artist Jamie
> Wyeth, a quotation from Psalm 28, and the message: "With best wishes
> for a holiday season of hope and happiness 2005."
>
> [remainder snipped]
>


Like it or not, the White House represents the whole country; the White
House itself is Dubya's home for now, so religious imagery is appropriate.

But the cards represent the entire country in a way, and should be a
greeting for *all* Americans. I have religious cards, as well as "Happy
Holidays" cards for non-Christian friends and family. I don't send a card
at all to the atheists - just a holiday newsletter, with well wishes.

I also will only say "Happy Holidays" to patients, since I don't know what
faith they may be (Or they may be atheist).

Natalie, who tries to be an open-minded Catholic
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

Wickeddoll® wrote:
> "badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051208-121139-8397r.htm
> >
> > Christmas is alive and well at the White House despite the fact that
> > the name of the holiday does not appear on the 2005 greeting cards of
> > President Bush and first lady Laura Bush.
> >
> > There's an 18-foot Christmas tree in the Blue Room and an 18th-century
> > Italian creche in the East Room. Official White House Christmas
> > ornaments are for sale, and presidential aides and advisers wish one
> > another "Merry Christmas."
> >
> > But conservatives are rankled that the word "Christmas" doesn't appear
> > anywhere on the official White House card -- 1.4 million copies of
> > which were mailed to presidential friends and supporters.
> >
> > The card features a snowy scene of the South Portico by artist Jamie
> > Wyeth, a quotation from Psalm 28, and the message: "With best wishes
> > for a holiday season of hope and happiness 2005."
> >
> > [remainder snipped]
> >

>
> Like it or not, the White House represents the whole country; the White
> House itself is Dubya's home for now, so religious imagery is appropriate.
>
> But the cards represent the entire country in a way, and should be a
> greeting for *all* Americans. I have religious cards, as well as "Happy
> Holidays" cards for non-Christian friends and family. I don't send a card
> at all to the atheists - just a holiday newsletter, with well wishes.
>
> I also will only say "Happy Holidays" to patients, since I don't know what
> faith they may be (Or they may be atheist).
>
> Natalie, who tries to be an open-minded Catholic


I don't find it to be 'offensive' that Bush left out Christmas.

Think of it this way. I would just feel pretty odd if someone sent me
a Hannukah card... since I'm not Jewish... but it wouldn't upset me.
I'd just think the sender was a little weird.

I had a ramadan feast with some Muslim friends month or so ago... they
didn't change Ramadan to "Holidays" on my behalf, and I was fine with
it.

Whiney Christian Conservatives. What a bunch of punks.
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

Learning Richard, 12/8/2005, 7:55:49 AM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't find it to be 'offensive' that Bush left out Christmas.
>
> Think of it this way. I would just feel pretty odd if someone sent me
> a Hannukah card... since I'm not Jewish... but it wouldn't upset me.
> I'd just think the sender was a little weird.
>
> I had a ramadan feast with some Muslim friends month or so ago... they
> didn't change Ramadan to "Holidays" on my behalf, and I was fine with
> it.


So, you support President Bush in this case?

--
"The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both
national parties."
~ Patrick J. Buchanan
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

badgolferman wrote:
> Learning Richard, 12/8/2005, 7:55:49 AM,
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I don't find it to be 'offensive' that Bush left out Christmas.
> >
> > Think of it this way. I would just feel pretty odd if someone sent me
> > a Hannukah card... since I'm not Jewish... but it wouldn't upset me.
> > I'd just think the sender was a little weird.
> >
> > I had a ramadan feast with some Muslim friends month or so ago... they
> > didn't change Ramadan to "Holidays" on my behalf, and I was fine with
> > it.

>
> So, you support President Bush in this case?


I'm sure it was his wife's idea.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
badgolferman wrote:
> Is this a good thing or a bad thing?


It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it away. Petty
squabbling like this is part of the reason bush isn't held accountable for
the important things he does or doesn't do.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

Learning Richard, 12/8/2005, 8:22:09 AM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> badgolferman wrote:
> > Learning Richard, 12/8/2005, 7:55:49 AM,
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't find it to be 'offensive' that Bush left out Christmas.
> > >
> > > Think of it this way. I would just feel pretty odd if someone
> > > sent me a Hannukah card... since I'm not Jewish... but it
> > > wouldn't upset me. I'd just think the sender was a little weird.
> > >
> > > I had a ramadan feast with some Muslim friends month or so ago...
> > > they didn't change Ramadan to "Holidays" on my behalf, and I was
> > > fine with it.

> >
> > So, you support President Bush in this case?

>
> I'm sure it was his wife's idea.


It was probably Karl Rove's idea.

--
"The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both
national parties."
~ Patrick J. Buchanan
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

FanJet wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
> > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

>
> It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it away.


send it to me. [email protected], I'll send you a mailing
address.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
On 08 Dec 2005 11:50:09 GMT, "badgolferman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Is this a good thing or a bad thing?


Looks like the President is knuckling in to the anti Christmas
Democrats...

>-----------------------------------------
>
>http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051208-121139-8397r.htm
>
>Christmas is alive and well at the White House despite the fact that
>the name of the holiday does not appear on the 2005 greeting cards of
>President Bush and first lady Laura Bush.
>
>There's an 18-foot Christmas tree in the Blue Room and an 18th-century
>Italian creche in the East Room. Official White House Christmas
>ornaments are for sale, and presidential aides and advisers wish one
>another "Merry Christmas."
>
>But conservatives are rankled that the word "Christmas" doesn't appear
>anywhere on the official White House card -- 1.4 million copies of
>which were mailed to presidential friends and supporters.
>
>The card features a snowy scene of the South Portico by artist Jamie
>Wyeth, a quotation from Psalm 28, and the message: "With best wishes
>for a holiday season of hope and happiness 2005."
>
>[remainder snipped]

--

Scott in Florida
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

Scott in Florida wrote:
> On 08 Dec 2005 11:50:09 GMT, "badgolferman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

>
> Looks like the President is knuckling in to the anti Christmas
> Democrats...
> <snipper>


Funny thing is... I don't know a SINGLE Democrat who gives a rip
whether its called Christmas or not. Its the whiney Conservatives who
have a problem with it.
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Wickeddoll® wrote:
>> "badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
>> > -----------------------------------------
>> >
>> > http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051208-121139-8397r.htm
>> >
>> > Christmas is alive and well at the White House despite the fact that
>> > the name of the holiday does not appear on the 2005 greeting cards of
>> > President Bush and first lady Laura Bush.
>> >
>> > There's an 18-foot Christmas tree in the Blue Room and an 18th-century
>> > Italian creche in the East Room. Official White House Christmas
>> > ornaments are for sale, and presidential aides and advisers wish one
>> > another "Merry Christmas."
>> >
>> > But conservatives are rankled that the word "Christmas" doesn't appear
>> > anywhere on the official White House card -- 1.4 million copies of
>> > which were mailed to presidential friends and supporters.
>> >
>> > The card features a snowy scene of the South Portico by artist Jamie
>> > Wyeth, a quotation from Psalm 28, and the message: "With best wishes
>> > for a holiday season of hope and happiness 2005."
>> >
>> > [remainder snipped]
>> >

>>
>> Like it or not, the White House represents the whole country; the White
>> House itself is Dubya's home for now, so religious imagery is appropriate.
>>
>> But the cards represent the entire country in a way, and should be a
>> greeting for *all* Americans. I have religious cards, as well as "Happy
>> Holidays" cards for non-Christian friends and family. I don't send a card
>> at all to the atheists - just a holiday newsletter, with well wishes.
>>
>> I also will only say "Happy Holidays" to patients, since I don't know what
>> faith they may be (Or they may be atheist).
>>
>> Natalie, who tries to be an open-minded Catholic

>
>I don't find it to be 'offensive' that Bush left out Christmas.
>
>Think of it this way. I would just feel pretty odd if someone sent me
>a Hannukah card... since I'm not Jewish... but it wouldn't upset me.
>I'd just think the sender was a little weird.
>
>I had a ramadan feast with some Muslim friends month or so ago... they
>didn't change Ramadan to "Holidays" on my behalf, and I was fine with
>it.
>
>Whiney Christian Conservatives. What a bunch of punks.


I agree with this...it makes me feel that other religions would
think that we don't value our religion much if we'll give up it's
'references' so easily...do you suppose that some muslim country
would change the word 'Ramadan' to 'holidays' for their scattered
Christian population?...sure!...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Re: [OT] white house omits christmas from greeting cards

FanJet, 12/8/2005, 8:23:36 AM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

> badgolferman wrote:
> > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

>
> It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it away.
> Petty squabbling like this is part of the reason bush isn't held
> accountable for the important things he does or doesn't do.


Tell that to all the politically correct, offended people that
constantly throw lawsuits at the government or Boy Scouts.

--
"The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both
national parties."
~ Patrick J. Buchanan
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

badgolferman wrote:
> FanJet, 12/8/2005, 8:23:36 AM,
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > badgolferman wrote:
> > > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

> >
> > It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it away.
> > Petty squabbling like this is part of the reason bush isn't held
> > accountable for the important things he does or doesn't do.

>
> Tell that to all the politically correct, offended people that
> constantly throw lawsuits at the government or Boy Scouts.


The boyscouts are homophobes.

There is no room for hatred of a group of people, because of their
sexual orientation, in the USA. See the Constitution and the
Declaration of Independence.

HTH
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

Learning Richard, 12/8/2005, 10:20:25 AM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> badgolferman wrote:
> > FanJet, 12/8/2005, 8:23:36 AM,
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > badgolferman wrote:
> > > > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
> > >
> > > It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it
> > > away. Petty squabbling like this is part of the reason bush
> > > isn't held accountable for the important things he does or
> > > doesn't do.

> >
> > Tell that to all the politically correct, offended people that
> > constantly throw lawsuits at the government or Boy Scouts.

>
> The boyscouts are homophobes.
>
> There is no room for hatred of a group of people, because of their
> sexual orientation, in the USA. See the Constitution and the
> Declaration of Independence.
>
> HTH


There is no room for homosexuals in the woods with young boys. See
Common Sense.

--
"The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both
national parties."
~ Patrick J. Buchanan
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

On 8 Dec 2005 06:19:50 -0800, "Learning Richard"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Scott in Florida wrote:
>> On 08 Dec 2005 11:50:09 GMT, "badgolferman"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

>>
>> Looks like the President is knuckling in to the anti Christmas
>> Democrats...
>> <snipper>

>
>Funny thing is... I don't know a SINGLE Democrat who gives a rip
>whether its called Christmas or not. Its the whiney Conservatives who
>have a problem with it.


ROFL

Let's see

anti Christmas
anti war on terror


Great stands....for losers...

--

Scott in Florida
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

On 8 Dec 2005 07:20:25 -0800, "Learning Richard"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>badgolferman wrote:
>> FanJet, 12/8/2005, 8:23:36 AM,
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > badgolferman wrote:
>> > > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
>> >
>> > It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it away.
>> > Petty squabbling like this is part of the reason bush isn't held
>> > accountable for the important things he does or doesn't do.

>>
>> Tell that to all the politically correct, offended people that
>> constantly throw lawsuits at the government or Boy Scouts.

>
>The boyscouts are homophobes.
>
>There is no room for hatred of a group of people, because of their
>sexual orientation, in the USA. See the Constitution and the
>Declaration of Independence.
>


You seem to hate GWB....where does that fit in?

ROFL


>HTH

--

Scott in Florida
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:06:22 +0000, Scott in Florida spake:

> On 8 Dec 2005 07:20:25 -0800, "Learning Richard"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>badgolferman wrote:
>>> FanJet, 12/8/2005, 8:23:36 AM,
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > badgolferman wrote:
>>> > > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
>>> >
>>> > It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it away.
>>> > Petty squabbling like this is part of the reason bush isn't held
>>> > accountable for the important things he does or doesn't do.
>>>
>>> Tell that to all the politically correct, offended people that
>>> constantly throw lawsuits at the government or Boy Scouts.

>>
>>The boyscouts are homophobes.
>>
>>There is no room for hatred of a group of people, because of their
>>sexual orientation, in the USA. See the Constitution and the
>>Declaration of Independence.
>>

>
> You seem to hate GWB....where does that fit in?


I don't hate GWB -- that's more bullshit spin from the media. I will be
happier when he's out of office though. I don't like nepotistic liars, to
be sure.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:32:28 +0000, badgolferman spake:

> Learning Richard, 12/8/2005, 10:20:25 AM,
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> badgolferman wrote:
>> > FanJet, 12/8/2005, 8:23:36 AM,
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > badgolferman wrote:
>> > > > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
>> > >
>> > > It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it
>> > > away. Petty squabbling like this is part of the reason bush
>> > > isn't held accountable for the important things he does or
>> > > doesn't do.
>> >
>> > Tell that to all the politically correct, offended people that
>> > constantly throw lawsuits at the government or Boy Scouts.

>>
>> The boyscouts are homophobes.
>>
>> There is no room for hatred of a group of people, because of their
>> sexual orientation, in the USA. See the Constitution and the
>> Declaration of Independence.
>>
>> HTH

>
> There is no room for homosexuals in the woods with young boys. See
> Common Sense.


Your version of "Common Sense" is neither "Common" nor "Sense",
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Re: white house omits christmas from greeting cards

Learning Richard, 12/8/2005, 11:17:36 AM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:06:22 +0000, Scott in Florida spake:
>
> > On 8 Dec 2005 07:20:25 -0800, "Learning Richard"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > badgolferman wrote:
> >>> FanJet, 12/8/2005, 8:23:36 AM,
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > badgolferman wrote:
> >>> > > Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
> >>> >
> >>> > It's neither. If you got the card and don't like it, throw it

> away. >>> > Petty squabbling like this is part of the reason bush
> isn't held >>> > accountable for the important things he does or
> doesn't do.
> > > >
> >>> Tell that to all the politically correct, offended people that
> >>> constantly throw lawsuits at the government or Boy Scouts.
> > >
> > > The boyscouts are homophobes.
> > >
> > > There is no room for hatred of a group of people, because of their
> > > sexual orientation, in the USA. See the Constitution and the
> > > Declaration of Independence.
> > >

> >
> > You seem to hate GWB....where does that fit in?

>
> I don't hate GWB -- that's more bullshit spin from the media. I will
> be happier when he's out of office though. I don't like nepotistic
> liars, to be sure.


If what you spout is not hatred, then I'd hate to see you when you're
mad. You are either a liar or incredibly insane.

--
"The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both
national parties."
~ Patrick J. Buchanan
 
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