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If pedal commander increases fuel efficiency and makes the car accelerate smoother, why didn't Toyota just program the car to work as such? What is the downside here?
 

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I was avering on my xse 4 cyl 29/30mpg before pedal commander and now aver32/33mpg on Sport +2. Today drove on Sport +4 and the car takes off faster, not jerky at all and quick from stop sign, red light or getting on freeway. Only concern is you need to watch speedo as before you know it, you are speed limit or exceeding it.

Going back to sport +2.
 

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From the consistently positive user reports, the only downside I see is the ~$300 cost and the risk of potential issues from Toyota on any transmission or electronic system warranty claims. :dunno:
 

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If pedal commander increases fuel efficiency and makes the car accelerate smoother, why didn't Toyota just program the car to work as such? What is the downside here?
Because they want to standardize the response by using electronic throttle. They know their cars are driven mostly by families and older people so they limit throttle by adding what so called ''lag''. To me, i like the reliability of the car but not a fan of that nasty lag. Still young and want to enjoy the car but don`t want to compromise the reliability, choices are either get used to it or find a way around it. Dumb but that`s the truth on most of the Toyota cars.
 

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From the consistently positive user reports, the only downside I see is the ~$300 cost and the risk of potential issues from Toyota on any transmission or electronic system warranty claims. :dunno:
According to ''Pedal Commander'';

When a dealership does any kind of work or repair, they run a scan on the vehicle鈥檚 computer to see if anything has been changed. Other aftermarket tuners and programmers will leave 鈥渇lags鈥 on the ECU after they鈥檝e been installed, and will remain even after they鈥檝e been removed. These digital footprints are what cause the dealership to void any kind of claim or maintenance program.

Pedal Commander is 100% UNTRACEABLE by dealerships. Before going in for service, just make sure you turn the unit off and tuck it out of sight and you鈥檙e good to go! But if you鈥檙e going in for any kind of repair or problem, we recommend removing the unit just to be safe because when a dealership starts running diagnostics, they look for things like this.

Now that`s what they say. I am not sure how the car will react to it in a long term is still a question. I haven`t heard any issues with transmission so far though.
 

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Because they want to standardize the response by using electronic throttle. They know their cars are driven mostly by families and older people so they limit throttle by adding what so called ''lag''. To me, i like the reliability of the car but not a fan of that nasty lag. Still young and want to enjoy the car but don`t want to compromise the reliability, choices are either get used to it or find a way around it. Dumb but that`s the truth on most of the Toyota cars.
The PedalCommander, Sprint Booster, iThrottle, etc. only change what your gas pedal is telling the car to do. By themselves they can NOT increase fuel efficiency or performance. What they can do is change the way you drive which may result in better fuel economy, which you can also accomplish easily by just gradually bringing the car up to speed and letting it shift the way it wants to. The value of the PC and these other products is in linearity and predictability of the throttle, which may improve your driving experience and make your car more fun to drive. Any claims of it improving gas mileage, faster 0-60 times, or both, are dubious.

Disclaimer: I've never used a PC, but I have used an iThrottle which does the same thing.

Pedal Commander is 100% UNTRACEABLE by dealerships. Before going in for service, just make sure you turn the unit off and tuck it out of sight and you鈥檙e good to go! But if you鈥檙e going in for any kind of repair or problem, we recommend removing the unit just to be safe because when a dealership starts running diagnostics, they look for things like this.
This is true. Think of it like modding a stereo volume knob so that every 1 turn of the knob is equal to 1.5 turns of the potentiometer inside the stereo. The stereo knows no difference. Same idea.
 

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For my Canadian fellows.


Sprint Boost V3 for the Gen8 Camry is available on www.sprintboostercanada.com for 330 CAD tax included and with free shipping. Add committedcrew at the coupon code for 25$ off.
That brings it to 305 CAD delivered at your door. It's better and cheaper than the pedal commander!



I consider buying this and fully enjoy this car.
 

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Ordered mine over the weekend, should be here soon. I keep seeing people say to turn the car off and wait 5-10 mins... can't I just take the ground off the battery and install it? Wouldn't be any risk of any power then correct?

I've seen some people have had issues where they will be driving and then suddenly throw a code and get stalled to 30 mph, or worse.. anyone had this issue?
 

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Ordered mine over the weekend, should be here soon. I keep seeing people say to turn the car off and wait 5-10 mins... can't I just take the ground off the battery and install it? Wouldn't be any risk of any power then correct?

I've seen some people have had issues where they will be driving and then suddenly throw a code and get stalled to 30 mph, or worse.. anyone had this issue?
Not me and I have had it on Sport +2 for 2 weeks since I bought it.

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Ordered mine over the weekend, should be here soon. I keep seeing people say to turn the car off and wait 5-10 mins... can't I just take the ground off the battery and install it? Wouldn't be any risk of any power then correct?

I've seen some people have had issues where they will be driving and then suddenly throw a code and get stalled to 30 mph, or worse.. anyone had this issue?
Most likely those who try to change the settings while driving instead of doing it while parked.
 

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Because they want to standardize the response by using electronic throttle. They know their cars are driven mostly by families and older people so they limit throttle by adding what so called ''lag''. To me, i like the reliability of the car but not a fan of that nasty lag. Still young and want to enjoy the car but don`t want to compromise the reliability, choices are either get used to it or find a way around it. Dumb but that`s the truth on most of the Toyota cars.
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I believe there should be a setting that you could "unlock" sort of speak to give more on demand or performance for those who know what they are doing. I guess the ideal compare would be is enabling "developer" mode on an android phone, allowing you to adjust this and that. I believe cars should have something similar, allow you to unlock features of sorts that the every day consumer wouldn't know about.

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Any who after having the Pedal Commander for a week or so, I have it set to Sport +3 and it is amazing. No lag when pushing down, car gets up to speed and sometimes have to slow down cause I am hitting 60 without realizing on how smooth and gradual it is. I have not tried flooring it cause I don't have any reason to do so. Have I, absolutely but that was without pedal commander installed just to see what would happen. Overall though, the pedal commander in my opinion was well worth the $300. It is really hard to put into words on the big difference until you actually own the product.
 

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After reading this forum thread and owning my 2019 XSE for a week , um yea got mine on the way . To be delivered today , fast ass shipping. Let yall know how it goes . Thanks you all the info on this forum!! :nerd::nerd::nerd:
 

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Ive had 5 friends drive my car (XSE V-6) in factory mode and than with PC at sport+ Plus 4 to feel the difference. All were amazed first on the factory power in itself. Than putting the PC on, they couldn鈥檛 take the smiles off their faces. One who drives a Charger ordered the PC that night. For anyone who is on the fence on buying this, it is well worth the 300.00. Having Bluetooth is also a win win. I have the PC hidden and never need to take it out to control any settings, just use the APP.
I pretty much always keep it on sport+ plus 4. My gas mileage does seem better and I鈥檓 guessing it鈥檚 because you don鈥檛 really need to give it much gas for it to get going. I鈥檓 not sure if that鈥檚 accurate or what, but I鈥檓 thinking that might be how it works. I suffer from poor gas mileage anyway since my commute to work is only about 3 miles. Bought my car in mid August 2018 and have under 7k on in 10 months.
 

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Does anyone know if PedalCommander makes a decent improvement in MPG that you get? I would like to make my Camry even more fuel efficient - is installing this going to help me?
 

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No. It will not make it anymore efficient than you can do with your foot. The economy settings on these devices do what Toyota already does... make response slow.
 

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OVTUNE - Dynamic Force. A25A FKS Engine Development
by Mathew Wilson February 07, 2019

Toyota's all new "Dynamic Force Engine."

OrangeVirus Tuning development for the A25A-FKS 200+HP 2.5L Engine is under way.

Our goal is simple.

1. More power.
2. Even better fuel economy.

The A25A dynamic force engine comes standard with 13:1 compression and runs on 87 octane. Toyota touts it as one of the highest thermally efficient engines ever created.

With Dual Intelligent Valve Timing and intake manifold tumbler control, this engine reminds of us the Mazda "Skyactiv" G platform. Similar, 13:1 super high compression built to run on 87 octane. What did we learn on that platform? Premium octane and a few simple mods can create more than 20% horsepower gains, while still maintaining stock like efficiency.

Toyota's new engine deploys a vast array of latest tech to bring the on demand response drivers desire. Similar to the Skyactiv-G platform, this engine uses camshaft angles to maintain cylinder filling moreso than the throttle blade itself. That means, under ideal conditions the throttle may be open much further than one would expect, and the valves are opened at just the right time to cruise along at a steady state. This greatly enhances efficiency.

So what is OVTune's Plans for this engine?

1. We will extract more power, safely by use of 91 octane and 93 octane gasoline. Manufacturers rarely tune their engines to reach peak horsepower, and when an engine is designed to run 87 octane and has compression this high, more octane almost always means more power is on tap, just waiting to be opened.

2. Increase real world MPG. We have achieved this with the Skyactiv-G 2.5L using certain tuning strategies that recalibrate the intake and exhaust valve timing tables, along with increasing ignition during stoic where the engine is actually being used. By doing so, we have achieved more than 45 MPG on 87 octane (highway) on the 2.5L Skyactiv engine. We expect to see similar abilities out of this engine, and potentially even greater efficiency than the Skyactiv.

Controlling Airflow:

The A25A-FKS engine employs an airflow control strategy just like any other Toyota calibration. Calculating and simulating expected airflow for a given RPM. Because of this, it is possible that during real world driving you may not be getting as much throttle as you would imagine. Just because YOU floor the accelerator, does not mean the ECM is going to fully open the throttle butterfly. Just like the Toyota Tacoma, ultimately, the amount of throttle you can achieve is up to tables such as these.

https://www.ovtuned.com/blogs/news/ovtune-dynamic-force-a25a-fks-engine-development
 

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This will do so much more than a PC and if it's anything like Ktuner, Hondata, etc. then it'll also let you customize throttle mapping just like the PC does.

Wouldn't it be amazing if they could change how the transmission shifts too?

EDIT: Looks like they did it with the Tacoma, and if the Camry is the same, this does a good job of explaining why downshifting is so bad in these cars.

https://www.ovtuned.com/blogs/news/heres-why-you-hate-the-3rd-gen-tacoma-transmission-and-how-we-are-fixing-it

Definitely keeping an eye on this!
 

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OVTUNE - Dynamic Force. A25A FKS Engine Development
by Mathew Wilson February 07, 2019

Toyota's all new "Dynamic Force Engine."

OrangeVirus Tuning development for the A25A-FKS 200+HP 2.5L Engine is under way.

Our goal is simple.

1. More power.
2. Even better fuel economy.

The A25A dynamic force engine comes standard with 13:1 compression and runs on 87 octane. Toyota touts it as one of the highest thermally efficient engines ever created.

With Dual Intelligent Valve Timing and intake manifold tumbler control, this engine reminds of us the Mazda "Skyactiv" G platform. Similar, 13:1 super high compression built to run on 87 octane. What did we learn on that platform? Premium octane and a few simple mods can create more than 20% horsepower gains, while still maintaining stock like efficiency.

Toyota's new engine deploys a vast array of latest tech to bring the on demand response drivers desire. Similar to the Skyactiv-G platform, this engine uses camshaft angles to maintain cylinder filling moreso than the throttle blade itself. That means, under ideal conditions the throttle may be open much further than one would expect, and the valves are opened at just the right time to cruise along at a steady state. This greatly enhances efficiency.

So what is OVTune's Plans for this engine?

1. We will extract more power, safely by use of 91 octane and 93 octane gasoline. Manufacturers rarely tune their engines to reach peak horsepower, and when an engine is designed to run 87 octane and has compression this high, more octane almost always means more power is on tap, just waiting to be opened.

2. Increase real world MPG. We have achieved this with the Skyactiv-G 2.5L using certain tuning strategies that recalibrate the intake and exhaust valve timing tables, along with increasing ignition during stoic where the engine is actually being used. By doing so, we have achieved more than 45 MPG on 87 octane (highway) on the 2.5L Skyactiv engine. We expect to see similar abilities out of this engine, and potentially even greater efficiency than the Skyactiv.

Controlling Airflow:

The A25A-FKS engine employs an airflow control strategy just like any other Toyota calibration. Calculating and simulating expected airflow for a given RPM. Because of this, it is possible that during real world driving you may not be getting as much throttle as you would imagine. Just because YOU floor the accelerator, does not mean the ECM is going to fully open the throttle butterfly. Just like the Toyota Tacoma, ultimately, the amount of throttle you can achieve is up to tables such as these.

https://www.ovtuned.com/blogs/news/ovtune-dynamic-force-a25a-fks-engine-development
Also keeping an eye on this, very interested.
 
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