[Gasssman]

Was the Camry that you are having issues with the paint made in Japan or Kentucky? My new 2022 Venza is the Red Ruby Flare and it is a complex paint process. That is why we pay more for that color and as I remember there are two other colors that are $400 plus for the paint. Did you know that for the past few years they are now using latex paint!?!? I'll have to be visual on the paint. Fortunately both my cars are kept in a garage. I've owned Toyotas since 1978 and never had a paint problem. Our son's 2004 Corolla which was a Ruby Red started to have paint issues on the bumpers and door handles when it was about 10 years old but it sat outside.

When I had to have my drivers door replaced thru his insurance by my neighbor backing into it, the shop that did the painting of the new door, (not repaired) the Ruby Flare Pearl was applied perfectly by a paint shop that does mostly custom work and show car quality work. It was flawlessly done you cannot see anything that would indicate the door was painted. That door is the only panel that has no paint chip issues to show, it happened with 1,700 miles, now I have over 30K. So that tells me Toyota of Japan applied paint process sucks as far as my Venza is concerned. Now if I decide to keep it, that shop will be the one to do the repaint or touch up, which ever they recommend. It’s sad that we have lost quality control of a much vaunted OEM nameplate, Toyota has fallen down in this dept.

 

[ken2116]

If you decide to have plastic surfaces repainted, or replaced and repainted, consider going with a paint shop that will flame treat (or equivalent plasma treat) the surface shortly before painting. These treatments chemically alter the plastic's surface that promote adhesion of paint, adhesives, etc. One also can do this at home using a propane torch equipped with a flame spreading tip, there are a number of video demos and some scientific articles describing the process and underlying chemistry.

 

[Gasssman]

If you decide to have plastic surfaces repainted, or replaced and repainted, consider going with a paint shop that will flame treat (or equivalent plasma treat) the surface shortly before painting. These treatments chemically alter the plastic's surface that promote adhesion of paint, adhesives, etc. One also can do this at home using a propane torch equipped with a flame spreading tip, there are a number of video demos and some scientific articles describing the process and underlying chemistry.

My first experience with plastic bumpers was my new ‘78 Z/28 Camaro. I was told that they use a flex based primer and paint onto the polyurethane bumpers. Has this changed since then ? I have not been keeping up on the paint technology in recent years, but I have noticed paint quality in general has degraded from OEM and JDM suppliers.

 

[mrmike7189]

Good luck, I’ve been complaining about my ‘14 super white Tacoma peeling since 2018! Toyota even sent me a notification that IF there’s ever a recall, I’m included. To date, I have a price of $4,000 to fix just what’s peeling, not the whole truck. I’m on my 3rd Tacoma and 3 Camrys…they may be the last!

I heard on the 4runner forums that Blizzard Pearl and Super White are being recalled or are being repaired on a case by case basis by Toyota. The White paint is supposed to be a single stage paint which means only 1 coat with the clearcoat in the paint ? while other colors have more layers? The paint on my 2020 4 runner is so thin and dull looking. Hate it!

 

[rburke60]

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I agree. It's more likely that the bumper was replaced or repainted prior to delivery. Maybe it was transit damage when delivered to the dealer.

All manufacturers have the same problem as the green wave hit them long ago requiring paint be plant based. Automotive paint in this country is no longer petroleum based which as we all know lasts.

 

[rl1990]

The quality of Toyota paint has fallen over the past decade for a few reasons, cost, environmental regulations, and so on.

Toyota does a lot of things right but paint has never been one of them. From the gold painted cars from the late 90's into the early 2000's that eventually turned silver, to the clear coat that never holds up which leads to faded oxidized paint.

 

[rl1990]

All manufacturers have the same problem as the green wave hit them long ago requiring paint be plant based. Automotive paint in this country is no longer petroleum based which as we all know lasts.

I don't agree with the eco friendly paint being the one and only cause of problems SOME manufacturers have. First and foremost the main thing that protects the finish is the clear coat not the paint.

The problem is the amount of paint and clear coat that some manufacturers are using. Some apply very thin coats that chips and scratches very easily. Toyota is one of them. All you have to do is look at the front end of any older Toyota to see how many rock chips are in the paint. However, if you look at European cars their finishes hold up better because they apply a thicker coat of paint and clear coat.

It's not the paint because most automotive paint for all brands come from just a few suppliers, it's how much paint is applied. If two people paint deck chairs with the same gallon of paint except one person applies one coat and the other person applies two coats, guess which one will hold up better.

 

[Vegashybrid]

I don't agree with the eco friendly paint being the one and only cause of problems SOME manufacturers have. First and foremost the main thing that protects the finish is the clear coat not the paint.

The problem is the amount of paint and clear coat that some manufacturers are using. Some apply very thin coats that chips and scratches very easily. Toyota is one of them. All you have to do is look at the front end of any older Toyota to see how many rock chips are in the paint. However, if you look at European cars their finishes hold up better because they apply a thicker coat of paint and clear coat.

It's not the paint because most automotive paint for all brands come from just a few suppliers, it's how much paint is applied. If two people paint deck chairs with the same gallon of paint except one person applies one coat and the other person applies two coats, guess which one will hold up better.

This time 100. And anyone who has done extensive detailing or worked with paint will tell you the same thing. German clear coats are especially tough. If you think Toyota is bad go look at Honda. My X gen Accords has ridiculously soft clear coats. Toyota clear is far superior. I'm about to clay and correct the paint on this car for the first time in a couple months so will see how hard it is.

 

[Ville80]

You should see my 2004 Nissan. First year infinite rock chips on the hood. Maybe I drove too close... 6 years old spot on roof deteriorating. Now entire roof and some of trunk most of the paint gone.
Thought I polished too much but all the others one the road are identical or worse. Hours of paint protection was a waste.
Hood looks far better. It was replaced due to deer hit and painted by a friend 17 years ago. One would think factory would be best. Nope.

So I'd agree JDM clear coats are too thin or all paint is inferior compared to others.

 

[Catanzaro]

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Did you purchase this vehicle brand new? If not, it appears that this could be an aftermarket bumper. I have seen this type of peeling from someone who painted the bumper, and did not prep it properly, especially after the painting phase. Also, Flex Additive should have been used. Ironically, some bumpers come prepainted, can be ordered on E-Bay, and are folded like accordions. One can not measure paint thickness because it is plastic.

 

[Mike9878]

They extended the warranty for certain white years/models. Call corporate and search if this is common.

Yes, my 2017 Corolla and others including Lexus vehicles from that year. I received a "letter" so if it ever peels I'm covered.

 

[Atombum65]

I'm not a fan of clearcoat. Sure, it looks beautiful on dark colors when it's brand new. But most consumers just want something with a nice color that will last without requiring much maintenence or any babying. Also, I've never understood putting clearcoat on lighter colors - there really is no benefit as the "deepness" clearcoating offers with dark colors doesn't translate to lighter colors.

I was hopeful that the newer "powder" and flat colors would result in options that didn't require clearcoat. But, alas, those are clearcoated as well.

I really hate clearcoat on trucks - it just makes no sense at all as it just scratches and looks like crap if you're actually using your truck as a truck.

We had giant bamboo on our property (about a sixth of an acre's worth), which we chopped down, dug up, and hauled off with our black Tundra. Fortunately, the previous owner had already used it as a work vehicle, so it was already dinged and scratched to a degree. However, the ends of the bamboo leaves scratched the paint on the C pillars terribly.

 

[rl1990]

Clear coat is what's actually protecting the paint and car's finish. Without it the paint would very quickly fade and start to oxidize which would lead to rusting. The paint is there to protect the metal from rusting.

 

[Atombum65]

... not really when it scratches easily and allows the manufacturer to use few coats of the pigmented paint.

 

[Vegashybrid]

... not really when it scratches easily and allows the manufacturer to use few coats of the pigmented paint.

Yes really. And if you think it scratches easy you should see how easily bare paint scratches. Proper paint maintenance removes the swirl's and protects the paint.

 

[Atombum65]

Yes really. And if you think it scratches easy you should see how easily bare paint scratches. Proper paint maintenance removes the swirl's and protects the paint.

Um, you do realize that when they used enamel to paint cars, they used multiple layers of paint.
That paint didn't scratch easily at all. Now they spray it in only one or two coats.

I've owned several non-clearcoated vehicles over my 40-plus years of vehicle ownership. I preferred the finishes on those cars over any I've owned that were clearcoated. Nothing you can say about the "wonders" of clearcoat could ever change my mind.

 

[Vegashybrid]

Um, you do realize that when they used enamel to paint cars, they used multiple layers of paint.
That paint didn't scratch easily at all. Now they spray it in only one or two coats.

I've owned several non-clearcoated vehicles over my 40-plus years of vehicle ownership. I preferred the finishes on those cars over any I've owned that were clearcoated. Nothing you can say about the "wonders" of clearcoat could ever change my mind.

The more you post the more it's evident you have no idea what you're talking about. You say you've never had cars with clear coats, yet you've had cars with enamel paints. Clear coat is simply another term for hardener, which exactly what enamel is. Enamel is old outdated technology. The reason why they stop using it is because it had no UV protection in it, and once it oxidizes you have to completely compound it out. Today is clear coats have UV protection already in them, and are also easier to repair. Cars with no clear coat or hardener on them, scratch extremely easily, are also known as matte paint finishes. So basically according to your logic, old outdated inferior clear coat good, new better clear coat bad. 😂

 

[Atombum65]

The more you post the more it's evident you have no idea what you're talking about. You say you've never had cars with clear coats, yet you've had cars with enamel paints. Clear coat is simply another term for hardener, which exactly what enamel is. Enamel is old outdated technology. The reason why they stop using it is because it had no UV protection in it, and once it oxidizes you have to completely compound it out. Today is clear coats have UV protection already in them, and are also easier to repair. Cars with no clear coat or hardener on them, scratch extremely easily, are also known as matte paint finishes. So basically according to your logic, old outdated inferior clear coat good, new better clear coat bad. 😂

Nice personal attack, there big boy. And you threw a lie about me in there, too. I won't entertain you any further. Have a great life.

BTW, it's OK for people to have different opinions from you.

 

[Vegashybrid]

Nice personal attack, there big boy. And you threw a lie about me in there, too. I won't entertain you any further. Have a great life.

BTW, it's OK for people to have different opinions from you.

What goes around comes around. Difference of opinions are fine. Spewing random fake facts as your basis and playing semantics with the words clear and enamel isn't. No lies just facts. ✌