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Hi guys, 2008 SE

I am pretty clueless about car maintenance. I do have the schedule from the dealer.... wants....
$559.99 plus 6.25% sales tax for the 30K maintenance.

Personally I think that is HIGHWAY ROBBERY.

A few questons about things on the list which I would like your opinion about if I should do.

(1) change the PVC valve. And if I do change it should I get a TOYOTA part or is there a better aftermarket part that will last longer then Toyota's part?

(2) Flushing the anti freeze. I have never done this with any of the cars which I have owned.

(3) spark plugs... I usually wait for the 50K mark.

(4) replace transmission fluid, my car is a manual

(5) replace the powersteering fluid... I have never done this before

(6) replacing the brake fluid... I have never done this before


I do want to maintain my vehicle but I don't want to speend $$$ when I don't have to. Thanks again.


Josh
 

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1) Up to you
2) Flushing the anti freeze should not be done until much later than 30k! The new Toyotas are running 100k until the first coolant flush and every 50k after. I would wait. Tip: You can buy a cheap coolant tester at Walmart or elsewhere and it will let you know if your coolant is still good.
3) Spark plugs can wait a while. I had a 98 Sunfire that I neglected to change the spark plugs til 122k. lol. Still ran awesome.
4) Transmission fluid for a manual should wait until at least 60k. I have heard that they should be flushed slightly sooner than an automatic. I could be wrong but my gut tells me this. According to the maintenance schedule, changing the manual transmission fluid at 30k is listed under the Special Operating Conditions section.
5) Powersteering fluid should be good til 100k. It doesn't hurt to change it out earlier, though. In my old car I just used a turkey baster to get the old fluid out.
6) Brake fluid can also wait. I don't bother changing mine til it gets dirty (i.e. starts turning brown/black ish)

My strict opinion is to just perform the oil change, tire rotation, check and replace cabin air and engine air filters if necessary, and the multi point inspection. If the dealer is asking you to do all this at 30k they are trying to make a TON of $$$$ on you.
 

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my strict opinion is to just perform the oil change, tire rotation, check and replace cabin air and engine air filters if necessary, and the multi point inspection. If the dealer is asking you to do all this at 30k they are trying to make a ton of $$$$ on you.
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Hi guys, 2008 SE

I am pretty clueless about car maintenance. I do have the schedule from the dealer.... wants....
$559.99 plus 6.25% sales tax for the 30K maintenance.

Personally I think that is HIGHWAY ROBBERY.

A few questons about things on the list which I would like your opinion about if I should do.

(1) change the PVC valve. And if I do change it should I get a TOYOTA part or is there a better aftermarket part that will last longer then Toyota's part?

(2) Flushing the anti freeze. I have never done this with any of the cars which I have owned.

(3) spark plugs... I usually wait for the 50K mark.

(4) replace transmission fluid, my car is a manual

(5) replace the powersteering fluid... I have never done this before

(6) replacing the brake fluid... I have never done this before


I do want to maintain my vehicle but I don't want to speend $$$ when I don't have to. Thanks again.


Josh

1. Pcv valve is covered under the emissions warranty for 36k miles. You should not have to change it at 30k,

2. Antifreeze should not be changed for 100k miles on a Toyota made after 04.

3.Iridium Plugs are good for 100k miles, total waste of money to change them at 30.

4,5,6. Flushes or fluid exchanges at 30k miles are just a ploy to seperate you and your hard earned money. I would wait until at least 60K miles before changing any vital fluids and then I would only change the trans fluid.

Corporate Toyota is making an effort to stop dealers from doing all these unnecessary flushes. It's driving up the cost of maintenance and is not needed unless the car is driven in "extreme conditions". They have come down hard on us in the NY region and are even auditing dealers for compliance to the new regulations. Our dealer charges $249 for the same 30K service without the unnecessary flushes.
 

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I have an 08 Camry 4cyl. Earlier this year, my car threw a P0101 CEL code. The code was for a MAF sensor which I replaced but that didnt fix the problem. I had a toyota specialist diagnose the code and he replaced the PCV valve, said that it wasnt opening all the way and telling the ECM there was a vacuum leak. He said he had never known one to fail, like they used to in the past. He would recommend replacement every 50k or so. The OEM part is around $5.

I am now at 85k, havent bled the brakes yet, but I plan to around 100k. I did drain and refill the power steering system at 30k, 60k. Same with drain and fill of transmission with WS ATF. Both are easy enough to do on you own. Good luck!
 

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If you're running WS tranny fluid there's no reason to change it that often. 100k flushes, minimum
 

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Im in agreement with DOHCammer. PCV was part of an old service package. It reallys isn't needed at 30K. I am not a fan of fluid flushes at all, in rare instances, but to many Dealers just rubber stamp them. Toyota is cracking down on them and Dealers now will have consequences if they are included in their maitenance menus. We can sell them, but not as part of any type of recommended maintance service, or package.

Irridium plugs are good for 120K. I am a firm believer in replacing plugs when they are suggested. Performance and fuel economy do come into play here. Most people do not realize the difference until they do finally replace them because their performance decreases little by little that it is hardly noticed as to what it was to what it is.

Brake fluid, power steering fluid should be checked, but not flushed or replaced just because you are at 30K. Toyota's Super Long Life coolant is good for 100K and you may only need to add a little, but a drain and fill is just throwing money away. The one area I may disagree on, and that is Manual Transmission Fluid or Gear oil. For me, I like the idea of changing it at 30K(now this is strictly my opinion). I agree that a WS trans it is good for 100K, but I have always changed my trans fluid with every oil change. Except my 09 Sienna, which is WS, I have done this too. My 04 camry gets 3 fresh quarts of T-IV with every oil change. I KNOW IT IS COMPLETLY UNNECCESSARY, AND MY METHODS ARE SOMETIMES OVERKILL, but I have never had one transmission problem and my trans fluid coming out of the car is as good as the stuff going back in. An old time tech taught me this and I have been doing it now for over 20 years. I don't go around recommending it to anyone, but if anyone would like to know why, they can ask. Guys, I know, I know, you don't have to go and say how nuts or crazy I am :)
 

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Hey partsman, do you suggest changing trans fluid on an 07 V6 ever? I don't think it's part of the maintenance schedule...
 

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This is typical of BS that some stealers pull. Read your owners' manual for the 'official' recommendations - none of these services, with the possible exception of brake flush (due to time and conditions, not miles) is on the list of recommendations.

Brake fluid absorbs moisture, and the car is 3+ years old - and you live in a salt-on-the roads climate with high humidity. With a car operating in high-corrosion conditions, cleaning and lubricating the brake parts every 3-4 years, as well as keeping fluid pristine will go a long way to avoiding trouble with the pricey bits like ABS pumps and calipers.
 

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Starting in 06, Camry's came with World Standard Transmssion fluid. It is good for 100k. Moreover, it takes a special service tool to fill the trans and it needs to be hooked up to a computer after the vehicle has gotton up to operating temperature. Then the computer actually tells you how much fluid you need/add. In short, I don't like the word EVER but you should be good until then unless you do what is considered extreme conditional driving.

In my earlier post, I did mention MY PERSONAL maintanence practices when it comes to trans fluid, but my 09 Sienna has World Standard in it and even I am going against my practice and just waiting until 100k to do it.

Now, the reason I have and still do the trans change with every oil change is very simple. 1) I have access to techs and fluids that most don't, so it really doesn't cost me a whole lot to do it, 2)I was tought the philosophy that you change your oil every 3K(I am old school) you are right there for the drain plug and they can drain together, so why not, it doesn't hurt anything, 3) It really is that easy, even in the worse case scenario for the DYIer, its just a matter of 3 quarts of fluid. Here, this way, every 3K my trans gets a drain and fill instead of doing it at 15 or 30k, this way my fluid is always fresh and I don't worry about fluid break down.

AGAIN, THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL PRACTICE, AND I AM AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A CLASSIC CASE OF OVER MAINTENANCE. I don't want anyone in the forum to consider what I do to be a Dealer recommended service or that I am suggesting you follow what I do. It is just what I do, and the why I do it. :D But my cars are always in top mechanical shape and I never ever worry about breaking down. :clap:

Hey partsman, do you suggest changing trans fluid on an 07 V6 ever? I don't think it's part of the maintenance schedule...
 
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