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Some food for thought ... I compiled crash test ratings of several budget small SUVs accordingly to three different testing / rating authorities:

IIHS - Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (USA). Depending on crash test results cars can be awarded three ratings:
- Top Safety Pick Plus (TSP+) - highest
- Top Safety Pick
- nothing (Fail)
The rating takes into account 6 criteria:
- moderate overlap front crash test
- small overlap front crash test
- side crash test (simulated side impact by a pick-up / SUV)
- whiplash (rear end crash)
- roof strength
- active crash prevention (including optional equipment)

NHTSA NCAP (US Government) - Cars get a "star" rating that ranges from 1 to 5. Ratings are awarded based on 4 criteria:
- full overlap front crash test
- side crash test (simulated side impact by a pick-up / SUV)
- side crash test into pole / tree
- rollover risk

EuroNCAP - European New Car Assessment Program. Cars are awarded from 1 to 5 "stars", but also a more representative numeric score is published. Results are based on:
- moderate overlap front crash test
- side crash test (simulated crash test by a passenger car)
- side crash into pole / tree
- whiplash (rear end crash)
- VSC performance / safety assist equipment (standard equipment only, optional equipment is not considered)


Here are the results, from best to worse (using average from all three agencies, when available)

Car - model / IIHS score / NHTSA score / EuroNCAP score

Group 1: These are the only three that score top marks with all three agencies
Mazda CX-5 / TSP+ / 5 stars / 94
Mitsubishi Outlander / TSP+ / 5 stars / 94
Subaru Forester / TSP+ / 5 stars / 91

Group 2: These two score well 2-out-of-3
Honda CRV / Fail / 5 stars / 93
Kia Sportage / Fail / 5 stars / 93

Group 3: These ones have at least one good score
Nissan Rogue / TSP+ / 4 stars / not tested
Jeep Cherokee / not tested / 4 stars / 92
Hyundai Tucson / Fail / 4 stars / 90

Group 4:
And here are two that at the bottom of the scale accordingly to all testing agencies:
Toyota RAV4 / Fail / 4 stars / 89
Ford Escape / Fail / 4 stars / not tested

Kind of sad considering that RAV4 is supposed to be a "new" model.
 

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Yawn. Knock yourself out and cherry-pick any ratings or stats you like. The RAV in the SUV class is far safer than most. So what if other brands are slightly better within that class.

The SUV as a class of vehicle in general is safer than a 4-door sedan, especially the compacts. A big pick-up truck is safer than an SUV. An 18-wheeler safer than a big pick-up. Train is safer than an 18-wheeler.

Old saying: In a crash, vehicle with the biggest lugnuts wins! Train lugnuts are pretty big, lol.
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The SUV as a class of vehicle in general is safer than a 4-door sedan, especially the compacts.
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You may be up for a surprise. Insurance statistics show that you are 20% more likely to suffer injuries in an accident in a RAV than "industry average". Given, it's better than the Corolla, which is 55% worse than average, but still above the risk of injuries in an average mid-size sedan. On the other hand, in a Forester, the likelihood of injuries is 34% below industry average. This is based on thousand of insurance claims from real-life accident data over a period of three years ending Dec. 2012.
 

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katekebo;7036090 Insurance statistics show that you are 20% more likely to suffer injuries in an accident in a RAV than "industry average". [/QUOTE said:
There you go cherry-picking stats again, and it just becomes garbage. You completely missed my point: The SUV class is generally safer than the 4-door sedan class, especially as you get bigger. IIHS has posted a recent article on this very topic.

Now if IIHS had the balls to assign a numerical score to each and every vehicle, regardless of class, you would see the RAV (and other SUV models) near the top. Instead, they (you) keep referring to an arbitrary 'class' as though models within this class are competing, and are somehow unsafe! They are not. What is important (to me) is what is 'safe enough.'

To summarize: I could care less if the RAV leads the SUV class because the SUV class in itself leads the way for most of the others. Now, knock yourself out, pull up some more irrelevant factoids, and skew some more data. We'll have to agree to disagree as you apparently have some axe to grind on the RAV.
 

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There you go cherry-picking stats again, and it just becomes garbage. You completely missed my point: The SUV class is generally safer than the 4-door sedan class, especially as you get bigger. IIHS has posted a recent article on this very topic.

Now if IIHS had the balls to assign a numerical score to each and every vehicle, regardless of class, you would see the RAV (and other SUV models) near the top. Instead, they (you) keep referring to an arbitrary 'class' as though models within this class are competing, and are somehow unsafe! They are not. What is important (to me) is what is 'safe enough.'

To summarize: I could care less if the RAV leads the SUV class because the SUV class in itself leads the way for most of the others. Now, knock yourself out, pull up some more irrelevant factoids, and skew some more data. We'll have to agree to disagree as you apparently have some axe to grind on the RAV.
Yes, it's true the MOST SUVs are safer than sedans.

And IIHS DOES HAVE THE BALLS to compare ALL vehicles regardless of class. It is precisely this score that shows that SUV are safer than sedans. But there is just one small problem. The RAV stands out like a sore thumb with one of the worst scores among SUVs, and about the same as the average score for sedans. RAV score is mediocre and below average regardless of class.

Here are the numbers of serious injuries based on actual accidents over 3 years (2010-2012). "100" index indicates industry average based on ALL accidents reported during that period, and is not adjusted for vehicle type.

The index for 4-door cars, regardless of size, is 120. That means that a person riding a sedan is, on average, 20% more likely to suffer injuries in an accident.

The index for all SUVs is 86. So yes, SUV in general are significantly safer. But the index for RAV is 120, way higher than most other SUVs, and as high as sedans.

It's easy to understand why RAV scores so bad. First, it is among the smallest and lightest SUV. So in a car-to-car accident it doesn't have the weight advantage that a bigger SUV offers. And it is tall and narrow, making it more prone to rollover, increasing the risk of serious injuries.

Bottom line - most SUVs are safer, but RAV isn't one of them.
 
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