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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ��ロク wrote:

> “I’ve always been interested in sustainability and always considered
> myself an ecological person,� said Roberson, eager to show he’s no
> mere NIMBY.



Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...

He's a COVE:

> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:


> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.


Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell... :)
 
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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
turbine blades.



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> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
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>> "I've always been interested in sustainability and always considered
>> myself an ecological person," said Roberson, eager to show he's no
>> mere NIMBY.

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> Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...
>
> He's a COVE:
>
>> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:

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>> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.

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> Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell... :)
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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:43:56 GMT, "Art"
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>Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
>carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
>needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
>turbine blades.
>


It is called a double barrel shotgun....


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>"Hachiroku ????" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>
>>> "I've always been interested in sustainability and always considered
>>> myself an ecological person," said Roberson, eager to show he's no
>>> mere NIMBY.

>>
>>
>> Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...
>>
>> He's a COVE:
>>
>>> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:

>>
>>> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.

>>
>> Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell... :)
>>
>>

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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

Art <[email protected]> wrote:
> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
> turbine blades.


That number (thousands) is accurate. Actually 6400 outside California,
so perhaps "tens of thousands" would be accurate.
http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html

However to put this in perspective, 130 to 174 million bird deaths a year
occur due to power transmission lines, and 60 and 80 million birds annually
are due to collisions with motor vehicles.

So next time somebody advocates against windpower for this reason, ask them
if they want to eliminate AC power and motor vehicles as well.
 
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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:43:56 +0000, Art wrote:

> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
> turbine blades.


Yeah, that's what they say.

But there was a Government funded study I saw in the same paper 6 months
ago that says birds aren't quite that dumb...



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> "Hachiroku ????" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
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>>> "I've always been interested in sustainability and always considered
>>> myself an ecological person," said Roberson, eager to show he's no
>>> mere NIMBY.

>>
>>
>> Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...
>>
>> He's a COVE:
>>
>>> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:

>>
>>> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.

>>
>> Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell... :)
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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:55:01 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:

> Art <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
>> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or someone
>> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
>> turbine blades.

>
> That number (thousands) is accurate. Actually 6400 outside California,
> so perhaps "tens of thousands" would be accurate.
> http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html



"A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew though the San Gorgonio
Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations. During both migrating
seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population. "

Seems fairly acceptable to me. I've killed more birds driving...




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> However to put this in perspective, 130 to 174 million bird deaths a year
> occur due to power transmission lines, and 60 and 80 million birds annually
> are due to collisions with motor vehicles.
>
> So next time somebody advocates against windpower for this reason, ask them
> if they want to eliminate AC power and motor vehicles as well.


I think that's the plan.
 
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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

"Hachiroku ????" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:55:01 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:
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>> Art <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must
>>> be
>>> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or
>>> someone
>>> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
>>> turbine blades.

>>
>> That number (thousands) is accurate. Actually 6400 outside California,
>> so perhaps "tens of thousands" would be accurate.
>> http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html

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> "A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew though the San Gorgonio
> Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations. During both migrating
> seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
> representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population. "
>
> Seems fairly acceptable to me.


I'm in favor of alternative energy, incl. wind farms. However, I also
believe all aspects of their impact should be taken into account &
engineered & placed in the least disruptive ways possible.

> I've killed more birds driving...


AFAIK, only one; it was a hawk, on the NYS Thruway many years ago. I saw
him (her?) up in a tree on the roadside, but for some reason instead of
staying up there, down s/he flew, diagonally towards me. Hit the car's
antenna & when I looked in the rearview mirror, s/he was landing on the road
behind me. :-(

Cathy


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>> However to put this in perspective, 130 to 174 million bird deaths a year
>> occur due to power transmission lines, and 60 and 80 million birds
>> annually
>> are due to collisions with motor vehicles.
>>
>> So next time somebody advocates against windpower for this reason, ask
>> them
>> if they want to eliminate AC power and motor vehicles as well.

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> I think that's the plan.
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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must be
> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or
> someone needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the
> spinning turbine blades.


Agreed.


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>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:22:45 +0000, Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>
>>> "I've always been interested in sustainability and always considered
>>> myself an ecological person," said Roberson, eager to show he's no
>>> mere NIMBY.

>>
>>
>> Found a post I made here in December. He's not a NIMBY...
>>
>> He's a COVE:
>>
>>> What's a COVE? This is even better then a NIMBY:

>>
>>> Citizens Opposed to Virtually Everything.

>>
>> Yeah, that sums this area up in a *nut*shell... :)
>>
>>

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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

"Cathy F." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Hachiroku ????" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:55:01 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:
>>
>>> Art <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Actually thousands of birds are killed by energy wind farms. They must
>>>> be
>>>> carefully placed as to no upset migratory patterns. Either that or
>>>> someone
>>>> needs to come up with a means to keep the birds clear of the spinning
>>>> turbine blades.
>>>
>>> That number (thousands) is accurate. Actually 6400 outside California,
>>> so perhaps "tens of thousands" would be accurate.
>>> http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html

>>
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>> "A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew though the San Gorgonio
>> Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations. During both migrating
>> seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
>> representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population. "
>>
>> Seems fairly acceptable to me.

>
> I'm in favor of alternative energy, incl. wind farms. However, I also
> believe all aspects of their impact should be taken into account &
> engineered & placed in the least disruptive ways possible.
>
>> I've killed more birds driving...

>
> AFAIK, only one; it was a hawk, on the NYS Thruway many years ago. I saw
> him (her?) up in a tree on the roadside, but for some reason instead of
> staying up there, down s/he flew, diagonally towards me. Hit the car's
> antenna & when I looked in the rearview mirror, s/he was landing on the
> road behind me. :-(
>
> Cathy


Sometimes there is NOTHING one can do to avoid such tragedies e.g. deer
sometimes run right into the SIDES of vehicles.





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>>> However to put this in perspective, 130 to 174 million bird deaths a
>>> year
>>> occur due to power transmission lines, and 60 and 80 million birds
>>> annually
>>> are due to collisions with motor vehicles.
>>>
>>> So next time somebody advocates against windpower for this reason, ask
>>> them
>>> if they want to eliminate AC power and motor vehicles as well.

>>
>> I think that's the plan.
>>
>>

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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:34:44 +0000, sharx35 wrote:

> Agreed.



Um...what have you done with Sharx...?!
 
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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:15:38 -0500, Cathy F. wrote:

>> "A 1986 study found that 69 million birds flew though the San Gorgonio
>> Pass during the Spring and Fall migrations. During both migrating
>> seasons, only 38 dead birds were found during that typical year,
>> representing only 0.00006% of the migrating population. "
>>
>> Seems fairly acceptable to me.

>
> I'm in favor of alternative energy, incl. wind farms. However, I also
> believe all aspects of their impact should be taken into account &
> engineered & placed in the least disruptive ways possible.



Hate to say it Cath, but you can't have it ALL ways.
What burns me is these are the same people against Coal power, Oil power,
Nuke power, etc etc. They've been crying and whining for power that
doesn't burn something, or cause something to glow, sh!t, they're even the
same people with Wind Power bumper stickers. But give them what they want,
and they STILL don't want it, because... (insert supposed lunacy here).

The real point I'm getting at is, there is NO situation that will make
these people happy. They are professionl whiners, or, like I heard on
NPR...COVEs.
 
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Re: OT: We need alternative energy...but Not In My Backyard!

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:30:23 -0600, dbu., wrote:

>> AFAIK, only one; it was a hawk, on the NYS Thruway many years ago. I
>> saw him (her?) up in a tree on the roadside, but for some reason instead
>> of staying up there, down s/he flew, diagonally towards me. Hit the
>> car's antenna & when I looked in the rearview mirror, s/he was landing
>> on the road behind me. :-(
>>
>> Cathy

>
> I hate it when hawks or any other wildlife get hit by cars. The hawk was
> only focused on prey, it never saw your car.



Except one I nailed was trying to get AWAY from a hawk!
 
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