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Re: The year of Toyota

"Wickeddoll®" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Jim Higgins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> 2007: The year of Toyota
>> http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/011307/opinion_20070113024.shtml
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> *snipping content of article*
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> When I see stuff like this, I'm tempted to say what Carlos Mencia says...
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> "Why the f*ck is this news?"
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> hehehe
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> Thanks for the info, seriously.
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> Natalie
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I knew GM was going to eventually be in trouble when we tried to buy a new
1973 Cheverolet and later ending up buying a 1972 Carina. We'd had a 1962
Corvair, and we noted a lot of things hadn't changed since the 1960's on GM
vehicles. We could not fit our family in a Chevelle, (The 1973 Chevelles
were BUTT-UGLY besides.) but could fit our family nicely in the 72 Carina.
Also, my mom, who had just recently repaired the floor on our Corvair for
the second time with fiberglass matting to replace the metal that was
rusting out, just had to pull up the carpet and look at the Carina and was
shocked at how much paint there was UNDER THE CARPET where no one sees.
The difference in quality between the 73 GM products we looked at and the 72
Carina was very marked. Toyota is still ahead of GM. GM has learned next
to nothing from the NUMMI plant they run together with Toyota.

And again, who's still building cars in the US? While Ford, GM and Chrysler
are abandoning Made in the USA for Hecho en Mexico and worse, Toyota keeps
opening new plants in the US and buying from suppliers in the US. Hmmm.

A friend once told me that GM's attitude is, when a car fails, find out what
parts were still running when it fails and cheapen them up so they all start
failing at about the same time, so the customer will come back and buy
another one. Toyota's attitude seems to be that when a part fails
premeturely, to find out why that part failed, and make it better.

Case in point: The 1993 Toyota Corollas were fitted with Delco alternators.
Despite the fact they are supposed to be electrically and mechanically
identical to the ND's which came on Japanese made Corollas, they tend to
have 1/3 the life, so guess what the replacement part is, and guess what
part started going into the American Corollas?

Charles of Schaumburg
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Re: The year of Toyota

"n5hsr" <...
> "Wickeddoll®"...
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>> "Jim Higgins" ..
>>> 2007: The year of Toyota
>>> http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/011307/opinion_20070113024.shtml
>>>

>>
>> *snipping content of article*
>>
>> When I see stuff like this, I'm tempted to say what Carlos Mencia says...
>>
>> "Why the f*ck is this news?"
>>
>> hehehe
>>
>> Thanks for the info, seriously.
>>
>> Natalie
>>

>
> I knew GM was going to eventually be in trouble when we tried to buy a new
> 1973 Cheverolet and later ending up buying a 1972 Carina. We'd had a 1962
> Corvair, and we noted a lot of things hadn't changed since the 1960's on
> GM vehicles. We could not fit our family in a Chevelle, (The 1973
> Chevelles were BUTT-UGLY besides.) but could fit our family nicely in the
> 72 Carina. Also, my mom, who had just recently repaired the floor on our
> Corvair for the second time with fiberglass matting to replace the metal
> that was rusting out, just had to pull up the carpet and look at the
> Carina and was shocked at how much paint there was UNDER THE CARPET where
> no one sees. The difference in quality between the 73 GM products we
> looked at and the 72 Carina was very marked. Toyota is still ahead of
> GM. GM has learned next to nothing from the NUMMI plant they run together
> with Toyota.


We saw a Chevelle yesterday. It had been painted a few times, and it no
longer had any insignia on it. I'm betting that's not the original engine.
>
> And again, who's still building cars in the US? While Ford, GM and
> Chrysler are abandoning Made in the USA for Hecho en Mexico and worse,
> Toyota keeps opening new plants in the US and buying from suppliers in the
> US. Hmmm.


Hmmm, indeed
>
> A friend once told me that GM's attitude is, when a car fails, find out
> what parts were still running when it fails and cheapen them up so they
> all start failing at about the same time, so the customer will come back
> and buy another one. Toyota's attitude seems to be that when a part fails
> premeturely, to find out why that part failed, and make it better.


Simple, yet effective.
>
> Case in point: The 1993 Toyota Corollas were fitted with Delco
> alternators. Despite the fact they are supposed to be electrically and
> mechanically identical to the ND's which came on Japanese made Corollas,
> they tend to have 1/3 the life, so guess what the replacement part is, and
> guess what part started going into the American Corollas?
>
> Charles of Schaumburg
>

*sigh*

Natalie
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Re: The year of Toyota

"Wickeddoll®" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> "n5hsr" <n5hsr <[email protected]> wrote:
>> A friend once told me that GM's attitude is, when a car fails, find out
>> what parts were still running when it fails and cheapen them up so they
>> all start failing at about the same time, so the customer will come back
>> and buy another one. Toyota's attitude seems to be that when a part fails
>> premeturely, to find out why that part failed, and make it better.

>
> Simple, yet effective.


That sounds like an urban legend.

Nonetheless, how does Toyota manage to make cars that sell so inexpensively?
In my area, Costco is offering the Corolla for $14,000.

Even Hecho en Mexico, GM offers no similar cars at that pricepoint.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Re: The year of Toyota

"Bill Tuthill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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"Wickeddoll®" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> "n5hsr" <n5hsr <[email protected]> wrote:
>> A friend once told me that GM's attitude is, when a car fails, find out
>> what parts were still running when it fails and cheapen them up so they
>> all start failing at about the same time, so the customer will come back
>> and buy another one. Toyota's attitude seems to be that when a part
>> fails
>> premeturely, to find out why that part failed, and make it better.

>
> Simple, yet effective.


That sounds like an urban legend.

Nonetheless, how does Toyota manage to make cars that sell so inexpensively?
In my area, Costco is offering the Corolla for $14,000.

Even Hecho en Mexico, GM offers no similar cars at that pricepoint.

Bill Tuthill

Perhaps Toyota was willing to take a cut in profits in order to build a
sales base?

If it were some sort of trick, don't you think we would have discovered the
flaw in craftsmanship by now? As we have with say, GM cars?

Natalie
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Re: The year of Toyota

"Ralph Mowery" ...
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> "Wickeddoll®" ...
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>>> Nonetheless, how does Toyota manage to make cars that sell so
>>> inexpensively?

>> In my area, Costco is offering the Corolla for $14,000.
>>
>> Even Hecho en Mexico, GM offers no similar cars at that pricepoint.
>>
>> Bill Tuthill
>>
>> Perhaps Toyota was willing to take a cut in profits in order to build a
>> sales base?
>>
>> If it were some sort of trick, don't you think we would have discovered
>> the flaw in craftsmanship by now? As we have with say, GM cars?
>>
>> Natalie
>>

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> One reason may be the way we pay the upper management . I don't know
> about GM, but Ford just gave a poor CEO around 20 million to leave and
> Home Depot gave theirs over 120 million. Also they make many times more
> than what the average worker makes. Not sure about now, but in Japan the
> CEO did not use to make nearly that many times what the workers made.
>
>


Hmmm that makes sense, but we may never know. Here, we can get ahold of CEO
tax returns. I don't think they have access to that much info on Japanese
execs, but perhaps they do.

Natalie
 
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