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Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
$12.

Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?

Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?
 
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
> $12.
>
> Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
> be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
> 5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
>
> Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
> 10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
> figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
> which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
> away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?
>
 
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Mobil has been known to be the best synthetic.

I don't know where you live but in PA Valvoline offers Maxlife full
synthetic oil for around $4.75 a quart. Since I have been using a combo
of lucas engine oil treatment and maxlife full synthetic 10w30 in my 91
camry 2.0, it went from using a qt every 1k miles to using NO OIL
whatsoever.

Goto valvoline.com for more information.
 
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
> $12.
>
> Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
> be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
> 5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
>
> Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
> 10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
> figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
> which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
> away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?
>


Given the fact that your oil leaks a bit and the car is 10 years old
(already a fair amount of engine wear) I would use a synthetic blend. There
are a lot of manufacturers who makes synthetic blends, but I don't know if
they come in 5 quart jugs.

I don't know what you mean by "moral issues aside"? Do you have something
against a well-run and efficient company that has low prices? It is not
moral to be so much more efficient than your competitors that they cannot
compete (they actually can compete, but they are too lazy and/or too
greedy).
 
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Mark A wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
> > $12.
> >
> > Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
> > be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
> > 5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
> >
> > Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
> > 10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
> > figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
> > which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
> > away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?
> >

>
> Given the fact that your oil leaks a bit and the car is 10 years old
> (already a fair amount of engine wear) I would use a synthetic blend. There
> are a lot of manufacturers who makes synthetic blends, but I don't know if
> they come in 5 quart jugs.


Yeah, I just realized the 5-qt jugs are cheaper than buying them in
1-qt bottles.


> I don't know what you mean by "moral issues aside"? Do you have something
> against a well-run and efficient company that has low prices? It is not
> moral to be so much more efficient than your competitors that they cannot
> compete (they actually can compete, but they are too lazy and/or too
> greedy).



I do not have a problem with shopping at WMT, but at least two of my
co-workers do (and are quite vocal about it), and I'm sure a few on
this group feel the same way. Some are bothered by their successful
attempts at preventing unionization... I'm actually not sure how I feel
about that.

I believe, if you're in the USA and don't bother to learn English,
and/or didn't do so great in school, WMT is just the right place to
work. Then, once one acquires the skills necessary to function in 21st
Century America, one can move on to higher-paying positions with other
companies. Then again, perhaps others feel differently... :)

Thanks,

Mike
 
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On 2 Feb 2006 23:23:08 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
>$12.
>
>Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
>be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
>5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
>
>Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
>10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
>figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
>which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
>away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?



Why are you thinking about switching to a synthetic? You can get the
jug of Castrol or Pennzoil conventional oil for a very good price and
not worry about seals.

As for your other question, no other product I am aware of is equal to
Auto-rx. It actually stopped a main seal leak on my friend's Ford
Explorer, but YMMV.
 
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Curtis Newton wrote:
> On 2 Feb 2006 23:23:08 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
> >$12.
> >
> >Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
> >be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
> >5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
> >
> >Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
> >10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
> >figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
> >which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
> >away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?

>
>
> Why are you thinking about switching to a synthetic? You can get the
> jug of Castrol or Pennzoil conventional oil for a very good price and
> not worry about seals.


Hoping to clean engine crud out a little bit, and improve engine
performance somewhat.


> As for your other question, no other product I am aware of is equal to
> Auto-rx. It actually stopped a main seal leak on my friend's Ford
> Explorer, but YMMV.


It's only available from their website, then?
 
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I was putting synthetic in my 1991 Camry until last summer. Thats when the
oil started leaking all over and the engine was losing power so I switched
back to regular and put in an oil additive. Runs a lot better now.

The reason I was using synthetic was that it ran better in the winter and I
thought it was good for the car and improved fuel economy. My mechanic kept
telling me that I was wasting my money.


<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
> $12.
>
> Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
> be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
> 5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
>
> Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
> 10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
> figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
> which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
> away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?
>
 
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> The reason I was using synthetic was that it ran better in the winter and
> I
> thought it was good for the car and improved fuel economy. My mechanic
> kept
> telling me that I was wasting my money.


How old is he? And who influenced his beliefs?
Most of the newer generation mechanics do understand the qualities of
synthetic oils.
 
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> Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
> $12.
>
> Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
> be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
> 5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
>
> Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
> 10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
> figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
> which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
> away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?


My suggestion would to:
1. After putting synthetic oil and a new filter for the first time, change
again at a shorter interval to get rid of the crud that the
synthetic oil dislodge. Consult a mechanic who has experience with synthetic
oil on this.
2. If the oil leak persists, a heavier oil might help, ex. 10W30 instead of
5W30, or even 15W40.
 
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Bassplayer12 wrote:
> > Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
> > $12.
> >
> > Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
> > be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
> > 5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
> >
> > Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
> > 10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
> > figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
> > which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
> > away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?

>
> My suggestion would to:
> 1. After putting synthetic oil and a new filter for the first time, change
> again at a shorter interval to get rid of the crud that the
> synthetic oil dislodge. Consult a mechanic who has experience with synthetic
> oil on this.
> 2. If the oil leak persists, a heavier oil might help, ex. 10W30 instead of
> 5W30, or even 15W40.



I *am* using 10W30 dino right now. Would 5W30 make the engine run more
efficiently?
 
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"I *am* using 10W30 dino right now.  Would 5W30 make the engine run
more
efficiently?"
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answer: yes.
Efficiency is a good way of putting it. Increased efficiency means
improved fuel economy or more power - actually both, depending upon how
you drive.
I have a 1994 Camry, 4 cylinder, with 141,000 miles and have always
been fastidious about changing the oil and keeping it clean.
If you're switching from conventional to synthetic for the first time,
I think it is a good idea to run some auto-rx through first.
(auto-rx.com).
One of the reasons I changed to synthetic at 80,000 miles, was reading
about a mechanic who said given two buckets of used main bearings, he
could easily tell which had run synthetic oil and that the inside of
the engine stays remarkably clean.
This tends to be less true of conventional oil.
I had been running Mobil 1 10W30 with Lucas oil stabilizer. The
recommendation from Toyota is for 10W30. However, at the time they
wrote that, the API grade was SG. Today it is SM. The quality of these
oils has improved, especially when you are considering full synthetic.
Was just checking the flash point of the Mobil 1 5W30 this morning, it
is 230 deg. C, which converts to 446 deg. F. My understanding is that
for new cars, the 5W30 viscosity grade is recommended for all
conditions, and I like the improved power to the extent I don't think
I'll be going back to 10W30. Had been watching for increased oil
consumption but have found none -- less if anything.
I changed all the oil seals at 120,000 miles, and had changed the oil
very frequently, so the inside of the engine was as clean as I could
get it before switching to synthetic.
That included the valve cover, and distributor O ring, oil and
transmission pan gaskets in addition to crankshaft, oil pump and
camshaft seals.
The engine is completely clean not one drop of oil anywhere.
I really like the Mobil 1 5W30, but if your car has been running
conventional 10W30 and really received no special treatment - normal
neglect of oil, transmission fluid and coolant, with typically grungy
exterior, I would probably just stick with what you're doing. The
recommendation used to be it was OK to switch to synthetic oil below a
certain mileage. With the close tolerances in Toyotas, I think that can
be ignored if the oil has been changed often, but if it has not, I
wouldn't change things now.
 
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Daniel wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> "I *am* using 10W30 dino right now. ?Would 5W30 make the engine run
> more
> efficiently?"
> ==================
> answer: yes.
> Efficiency is a good way of putting it. Increased efficiency means
> improved fuel economy or more power - actually both, depending upon how
> you drive.
> I have a 1994 Camry, 4 cylinder, with 141,000 miles and have always
> been fastidious about changing the oil and keeping it clean.
> If you're switching from conventional to synthetic for the first time,
> I think it is a good idea to run some auto-rx through first.
> (auto-rx.com).
> One of the reasons I changed to synthetic at 80,000 miles, was reading
> about a mechanic who said given two buckets of used main bearings, he
> could easily tell which had run synthetic oil and that the inside of
> the engine stays remarkably clean.
> This tends to be less true of conventional oil.
> I had been running Mobil 1 10W30 with Lucas oil stabilizer. The
> recommendation from Toyota is for 10W30. However, at the time they
> wrote that, the API grade was SG. Today it is SM. The quality of these
> oils has improved, especially when you are considering full synthetic.
> Was just checking the flash point of the Mobil 1 5W30 this morning, it
> is 230 deg. C, which converts to 446 deg. F. My understanding is that
> for new cars, the 5W30 viscosity grade is recommended for all
> conditions, and I like the improved power to the extent I don't think
> I'll be going back to 10W30. Had been watching for increased oil
> consumption but have found none -- less if anything.
> I changed all the oil seals at 120,000 miles, and had changed the oil
> very frequently, so the inside of the engine was as clean as I could
> get it before switching to synthetic.
> That included the valve cover, and distributor O ring, oil and
> transmission pan gaskets in addition to crankshaft, oil pump and
> camshaft seals.
> The engine is completely clean not one drop of oil anywhere.
> I really like the Mobil 1 5W30, but if your car has been running
> conventional 10W30 and really received no special treatment - normal
> neglect of oil, transmission fluid and coolant, with typically grungy
> exterior, I would probably just stick with what you're doing. The
> recommendation used to be it was OK to switch to synthetic oil below a
> certain mileage. With the close tolerances in Toyotas, I think that can
> be ignored if the oil has been changed often, but if it has not, I
> wouldn't change things now.



Is there a FAQ which explains API SG vs. SM, and which goes over the
viscosities in more detail?

There is a small chart in my Haynes, which seems to show how 5W30 /
10W30 vary with temperature on the X-axis, but I couldn't make heads or
tails of it. (Was it trying to say that 5W30 is recommended for colder
climates?)
 
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> I do not have a problem with shopping at WMT, but at least two of my
> co-workers do (and are quite vocal about it), and I'm sure a few on
> this group feel the same way. Some are bothered by their successful
> attempts at preventing unionization... I'm actually not sure how I feel
> about that.
>
> I believe, if you're in the USA and don't bother to learn English,
> and/or didn't do so great in school, WMT is just the right place to
> work. Then, once one acquires the skills necessary to function in 21st
> Century America, one can move on to higher-paying positions with other
> companies. Then again, perhaps others feel differently... :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>


Let your co-worker shop at stores that have union workers. Honda and Toyota
discourage unions and would probably close down their plants and move
somewhere else if the workers unionized.

Working at Wal-Mart is not just for people who don't speak English. Maybe
the people who clean the stores don't speak English, but the people who
clean the very expensive office building where I work don't speak English
either.

Wal-Mart employs a lot of elderly and disabled people who can't easily find
jobs elsewhere. Every time I go to Wal-Mart there is a disabled person in a
wheel chair that is by the entrance and does nothing by tag returned
merchandise so they know it was brought in from the outside. I have never
seen disabled people employed at any other similar stores.
 
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"AJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I was putting synthetic in my 1991 Camry until last summer. Thats when the
> oil started leaking all over and the engine was losing power so I switched
> back to regular and put in an oil additive. Runs a lot better now.
>
> The reason I was using synthetic was that it ran better in the winter and
> I
> thought it was good for the car and improved fuel economy. My mechanic
> kept
> telling me that I was wasting my money.
>


If you use synthetic oil from 5000 miles onward, then it is not a waste of
money. That is especially true if you "double" your change interval to about
6000 miles.
 
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> I *am* using 10W30 dino right now. Would 5W30 make the engine run more
> efficiently?
>


For a car as old as yours, 5W-30 is probably not a good choice (conventional
or synthetic). You have too much engine wear by now for 5W-30 (unless you
have been using 5W-30 since about 5000 miles onward).
 
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>> Why are you thinking about switching to a synthetic? You can get the
>> jug of Castrol or Pennzoil conventional oil for a very good price and
>> not worry about seals.

>
>Hoping to clean engine crud out a little bit, and improve engine
>performance somewhat.
>


You could run conventional oil and run a 3 oz dose of Auto-RX with
each oil change. That will keep the car with a good cleaning
solution.


>
>> As for your other question, no other product I am aware of is equal to
>> Auto-rx. It actually stopped a main seal leak on my friend's Ford
>> Explorer, but YMMV.

>
>It's only available from their website, then?



That is the only way I know you can get it.
 
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[email protected]hoo.com wrote:

>Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
>$12.
>
>Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
>be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
>5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
>
>Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
>10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
>figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
>which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
>away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?
>
>
>

Well I have the same question that you posed. Did you get an answer !!
 
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L wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Wal-Mart has a 5-quart jug of their brand of synthetic oil for about
> >$12.
> >
> >Moral issues aside (with Wal-Mart), would putting this stuff in my car
> >be a big mistake? Would I be better off spending about $8 more for the
> >5-quart jug of Mobil synthetic?
> >
> >Backing up a bit, would it be a mistake to put synthetic in my
> >10-year-old camry? It does leak oil a few drops a day (couldn't quite
> >figure out from where, exactly). Would putting synthetic in this car,
> >which has seen nothing but regular oil during its lifetime, dissolve
> >away the crud that's holding my engine seals together?
> >
> >
> >

> Well I have the same question that you posed. Did you get an answer !!



Oh I guess so. Gist of it seems to be, use AutoRx before using
synthetic. About using Wal-Mart cheapie oil, still no info.

Hey, I was at Wal-Mart yesterday, was about to get some Valvoline
5W-30, then realized I still have maybe 15 quarts of Chevron 10W-30 in
my garage, might as well finish those first. Winter's almost over
anyway, so not much point in trying 5W-30 right now, especially since
someone mentioned my engine would have some wear.

Another question - Valvoline and other brands have this "high mileage"
oil, for cars with more than 75,000 miles. They say they have
additives that will prolong the life of my engine seals. Would using
this over time be equivalent to using that AutoRx?
 
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