So what are you saying?
Tacoma verses Explorer sports trac
My next door neigbor bought a ford sport trac a month ago and he already had to bring it into the shop twice. ford replaced the PC board that operated the air bags and something to do with the brakes. I was giving him a bad time because he was contenplating on getting a DC Tacoma but he liked the comfort of the sports trac.
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The things he got fixed were probably recalls. Ford kicks ass at recalls. Some people say it means they make crappy vehicles, I say it's because they want to keep their customers happy. My truck has several problems, none of which covered by a recall, all of which I have to harass the shit out of my dealer to get fixed. Ford sends me a letter about problems telling me to come get them fixed before I even know I have them.
Making fun of American vehicle quality used to work, but not anymore. These US-built Tacomas have plenty of problems, and the US companies have stepped up their game (well, GM hasn't, but the other two have.) In fact, I'm pissed off enough about my crapped-out clutch at 13k miles and the fact that the mpg of this truck drops like a freaking rock when it gets below 50° outside that I really wish I had bought the F150 I test drove at the same time instead. With the employee pricing and crap at the time I could've gotten it for only about $1k more. I just assumed Toyota built a better truck, since they used to. They sure as hell don't these days. They still build a good truck, but this thing is a far cry from my '88 that I could jump 6 feet in the air without making it whimper. I've babied this thing and it has had more niggling little problems than my Dodge, and I know how the Toyota folks love making fun of Dodge.
Making fun of American vehicle quality used to work, but not anymore. These US-built Tacomas have plenty of problems, and the US companies have stepped up their game (well, GM hasn't, but the other two have.) In fact, I'm pissed off enough about my crapped-out clutch at 13k miles and the fact that the mpg of this truck drops like a freaking rock when it gets below 50° outside that I really wish I had bought the F150 I test drove at the same time instead. With the employee pricing and crap at the time I could've gotten it for only about $1k more. I just assumed Toyota built a better truck, since they used to. They sure as hell don't these days. They still build a good truck, but this thing is a far cry from my '88 that I could jump 6 feet in the air without making it whimper. I've babied this thing and it has had more niggling little problems than my Dodge, and I know how the Toyota folks love making fun of Dodge.
lol, your ganna get jumped on now... hehe. but in a way i agree, people have to bitch to get xrunner tires replaced when damn near every xrunner tires starts seperating at VERY low millage. dont get me wrong, i love my toyota, but damn the dealers as such a pain in the ass, sometimes i woundure if its worth it to have to go to court to get something fixed that could cost me my life..........BrandonM7 said:The things he got fixed were probably recalls. Ford kicks ass at recalls. Some people say it means they make crappy vehicles, I say it's because they want to keep their customers happy. My truck has several problems, none of which covered by a recall, all of which I have to harass the shit out of my dealer to get fixed. Ford sends me a letter about problems telling me to come get them fixed before I even know I have them.
Making fun of American vehicle quality used to work, but not anymore. These US-built Tacomas have plenty of problems, and the US companies have stepped up their game (well, GM hasn't, but the other two have.) In fact, I'm pissed off enough about my crapped-out clutch at 13k miles and the fact that the mpg of this truck drops like a freaking rock when it gets below 50° outside that I really wish I had bought the F150 I test drove at the same time instead. With the employee pricing and crap at the time I could've gotten it for only about $1k more. I just assumed Toyota built a better truck, since they used to. They sure as hell don't these days. They still build a good truck, but this thing is a far cry from my '88 that I could jump 6 feet in the air without making it whimper. I've babied this thing and it has had more niggling little problems than my Dodge, and I know how the Toyota folks love making fun of Dodge.
Be happy you didnt get the Ford. Yes they are recalling but they have alot more things going on that not alot of people know about. 97-03 for instance blow the spark plugs out of the heads. The manifolds crack over time,and alot of them have piston slap because the pistons arent big enough for the cylinders. You can hear them clicking till the motor warms up. Maybe every 2 out of 10 trucks built would blow out the plugs. Ford wants 3k to fix the problem and will not recall it. The 04 and up arent quite as bad but ive heard of 2 cases where the entire motor just crapped out. I knew one of them who needed a new motor at5000 miles and another that had a shattered piston at 36500. Out of warranty so now it sits waiting for another motor. I had an all black flareside 01 that was completely blacked out that i traded in on my 06 Taco. I loved the look of the truck but im not missing it.BrandonM7 said:The things he got fixed were probably recalls. Ford kicks ass at recalls. Some people say it means they make crappy vehicles, I say it's because they want to keep their customers happy. My truck has several problems, none of which covered by a recall, all of which I have to harass the shit out of my dealer to get fixed. Ford sends me a letter about problems telling me to come get them fixed before I even know I have them.
Making fun of American vehicle quality used to work, but not anymore. These US-built Tacomas have plenty of problems, and the US companies have stepped up their game (well, GM hasn't, but the other two have.) In fact, I'm pissed off enough about my crapped-out clutch at 13k miles and the fact that the mpg of this truck drops like a freaking rock when it gets below 50° outside that I really wish I had bought the F150 I test drove at the same time instead. With the employee pricing and crap at the time I could've gotten it for only about $1k more. I just assumed Toyota built a better truck, since they used to. They sure as hell don't these days. They still build a good truck, but this thing is a far cry from my '88 that I could jump 6 feet in the air without making it whimper. I've babied this thing and it has had more niggling little problems than my Dodge, and I know how the Toyota folks love making fun of Dodge.
We had three Fords prior to getting a Highlander and Tacoma. The reliability stunk. One had cracked heads at 60k miles (bad castings). The other had a complete engine replacement at 30k miles due to piston slap and after 30k more miles the replacement engine had the same problem. These were at the dealer every month getting something replaced that should never have been broken in the first place. Stuff like driveshafts (THREE), clutch pilot bearings, A/C compressors, seat brackets, window regulators, electric mirrors, defective radios and multifunction switches. The dealer was great but I felt bad for them trying to keep customers happy with such a poor product. And I can't figure out why the bread and butter Ford engines consistently put out less hp/ci than any other manufacturer. Never again.BrandonM7 said:The things he got fixed were probably recalls. Ford kicks ass at recalls. Some people say it means they make crappy vehicles, I say it's because they want to keep their customers happy. My truck has several problems, none of which covered by a recall, all of which I have to harass the shit out of my dealer to get fixed. Ford sends me a letter about problems telling me to come get them fixed before I even know I have them.
Making fun of American vehicle quality used to work, but not anymore. These US-built Tacomas have plenty of problems, and the US companies have stepped up their game (well, GM hasn't, but the other two have.) In fact, I'm pissed off enough about my crapped-out clutch at 13k miles and the fact that the mpg of this truck drops like a freaking rock when it gets below 50° outside that I really wish I had bought the F150 I test drove at the same time instead. With the employee pricing and crap at the time I could've gotten it for only about $1k more. I just assumed Toyota built a better truck, since they used to. They sure as hell don't these days. They still build a good truck, but this thing is a far cry from my '88 that I could jump 6 feet in the air without making it whimper. I've babied this thing and it has had more niggling little problems than my Dodge, and I know how the Toyota folks love making fun of Dodge.
The Fords I have owned have been very good cars I would not hesitate to buy another.
i traded in a 2001 sport trac when i got my 07 Tacoma in december... i dove the new sport trac and a 06 f 150 before i bought the Tacoma. the new sport trac has the same problems that have plagued the explorer for years.. bad transmissions and engines with rattleing timing chains. i had my timing chain changed at 20K miles. I did have very good customer support form my local ford service department. i expect the same from my toyota dealership. there are alot of people that like the sport trac.. www.mysporttrac.com
tis web site has good and bad about the ST..
troy
tis web site has good and bad about the ST..
troy
+1ajglennon said:The Fords I have owned have been very good cars I would not hesitate to buy another.
i've had my tacoma for over a year and haven't had the first problem (knock, knock). It runs GREAT, sounds GREAT, and looks GREAT. it gets great mileage IMO...22 ish on the highway at 65mph, around 20mpg at 80mph and around 17mpg or so around town. I'm glad I purchased a toyota and haven't looked back since i bought her. my two cents.
I vaguely remember watching one of those car shows on TV a few years ago that did a comparison between the Tacoma and the Sporttrac in various off road obstacles. They showed each truck trying to creep up a steep hill that was mostly various sized rocks, boulders and rip-rap. The stock Tacoma just creeped up the hill with little or no slippage. The Ford 4wd system was slipping all over the place, the traction sucked, and the guys doing the show were laughing at how uneven the comparison was between the two trucks.rpmspeedyBlue said:My next door neigbor bought a ford sport trac a month ago and he already had to bring it into the shop twice. ford replaced the PC board that operated the air bags and something to do with the brakes. I was giving him a bad time because he was contenplating on getting a DC Tacoma but he liked the comfort of the sports trac.
+1 It's been over a year with 16,700 miles on my truck. I should be fortunate that both my Toyota's have not given me any major problems.eyedoc said:i've had my tacoma for over a year and haven't had the first problem (knock, knock). It runs GREAT, sounds GREAT, and looks GREAT. it gets great mileage IMO...22 ish on the highway at 65mph, around 20mpg at 80mph and around 17mpg or so around town. I'm glad I purchased a toyota and haven't looked back since i bought her. my two cents.
I know Toyota's have problems but fords are still having problems.cj99si said:So what are you sayin?
Good point but my neigbor is also having problems with the his dealer. It started out that the dealer promised his sport trac (special order) within a month and it ended up getting a the sport trac 6 months later and not the truck he ordered. The only reason he got this truck is that he complained and wrote to the corparate office and the BBB. I guess from reading all the problems w/Toyota they're on the way up like the big 3. Problems and all.BrandonM7 said:The things he got fixed were probably recalls. Ford kicks ass at recalls. Some people say it means they make crappy vehicles, I say it's because they want to keep their customers happy. My truck has several problems, none of which covered by a recall, all of which I have to harass the shit out of my dealer to get fixed. Ford sends me a letter about problems telling me to come get them fixed before I even know I have them.
I have owned several ford trucks and I am a ford fan. I couldnt wait to get rid of the POS 05 F-150 that I had bought and it was paid for. In and out of the dealer ship more times than I could remember during my long 9 months of ownership. I couldnt wait to get rid of it. 15,000+ miles on the tacoma and it hasnt seen the dealership since the day I bought it.
+1 in my book for Toyota. I know there not perfect, just better than most.
+1 in my book for Toyota. I know there not perfect, just better than most.
my stepdad has a sport trac and its not that great, he likes it,but i think it sucks compared to the yota. it has a lack of power, a lot of recalls and i think is pretty ugly.
The new Explorer Sport Tracs aren't even in the Tacoma's league anymore, Ford thinks they're too good and are playing with the big boys ,,!,, -.- ,,!,,. Motor Trend's 2007 Truck of the Year
i read that before u edited it and it said ford is to good, not coolviet2100 said:The new Explorer Sport Tracs aren't even in the Tacoma's league anymore, Ford thinks they're too good and are playing with the big boys ,,!,, -.- ,,!,,. Motor Trend's 2007 Truck of the Year
haha sorry bud, I reread it and was like... wtf did I just say?!?!Jredneck480 said:i read that before u edited it and it said ford is to good, not cool
just had to make sure, i was gonna tell u to go down to the damn ford dealership lolviet2100 said:haha sorry bud, I reread it and was like... wtf did I just say?!?!
Id like to know what good they are other than maybe haveing somethiong that looks alittle different. They look like theyd be cramped in the backseat,the bed is probably the smallest ive seen (I think a Subaru Brat has a bigger bed) and yes they are ugly.
Fords recalls are for safety issues, because their vehicles are deadly dangerous. SAFETY recalls are FORCED by the nhtsa. Quality issues are handled through TSBs, which are hidden from the public as much as possible. The nhtsa doesn't force recalls for squeaky gas pedals.BrandonM7 said:The things he got fixed were probably recalls. Ford kicks ass at recalls. Some people say it means they make crappy vehicles, I say it's because they want to keep their customers happy. My truck has several problems, none of which covered by a recall, all of which I have to harass the shit out of my dealer to get fixed. Ford sends me a letter about problems telling me to come get them fixed before I even know I have them.
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