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http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-toyota-camry-design-analysis

I thought that I would never reconsider a Camry again, given the newer ones are getting uglier and uglier every iteration. However, the coming generation really seems great. A totally reworked suspension and 8 speed transmission. These are the stuff you typically find on a BMW X1 or Volvo XC90 and they are now available on a Camry? The only choice that is hard for me to choose either a Lexus GS V6 with D-4S, or a 2.5 Cyl. with 41% thermo-efficiency. Wow, both are great choices and I don't mind having both.

To be honest, the exterior and interior are still not on the pretty side. But as an engineer, I tend to pay more attention to the technology side. Just need to wait till all the crash test results and to hear from pro drivers like Randy Pobst. I'd like to hear some comments from you guys as well.
 

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I agree. XSE in the 2018 is definitely tempting. Best looking one I have seen in a while.
 

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UG-LAY! .... I HATE this whole 'angry face' trend in automotive design.. hate it... it's only there to coddle the masses social-insecurities and short-commings... and while I understand business is buisness.. Toyota, and the Camry in particular was BUILT on CONSERVATIVE looks... not this 'mad pre-teen' look... seriouly.. give it up already... what's next..? .. this?:





.. the peasantry can PRETEND to go on a bombing-run against Axis powers on their way to daily cubicle debt-repayment...


:facepalm:




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I like the design overall. Its a big car feel and supposedly with the increase of the wheelbase, making it the same as the Avalon.

Interior looks good, exciting and different. People say this car looks very busy, I agree. Sometimes to make a statement, one must ruffle the feathers.

Regardless the look and design, I'm very curious how serviceable this car will be and the interior quality. I've been very turned off by all manufacture interior quality nowadays...then again everything is made to explode apart for the airbags soooo I guess that might be part of it. There's quite a lot of 'first' for toyota in this Gen8 Camry. One is the double wishbone suspension in the Camry and the now included subwoofer for the JBL system.

Would be interesting to actually see more information on the car though.






Would I get one? Probably not. I can't justify the cost and depreciation of a car...no matter how nice or perfect it is. I'll stick with my 20 and 30 year old Camry. :)
 

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I read Jalopnik regularly, and there's just so much irrational hating on Camrys. Yeah, it's not a Miata or an M3. I get that. It's a quiet, soft riding, modestly powered (most of 'em) vehicle that's reliable as an anvil (generally, with some exceptions of course). Not what you want if you're gonna go auto crossing. But perfect for that 1,500 mile trip across the country or that mindless 50 mile daily commute. Ya know... what 99% of us use cars for.
 

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That link pretty much hits the nail on the head... dunno who the hipster is designing these new Camry's but it seriously needs to stop... Why would I want to look at 'madface' each time I get into my Camry of all things holy. Neutral or happy will do thank you.. my life is pretty darn happy... I don't want mah Camry trying to be a buzzkill with that sourpuss... that new camry will have alot of drivers looking at other manufacturers of family sedans on looks alone.... SICK of the POWER-RANGER design trend.... belongs nowhere, but definetly not on a concervative camry mah 50 centz :)



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I read Jalopnik regularly, and there's just so much irrational hating on Camrys. Yeah, it's not a Miata or an M3. I get that. It's a quiet, soft riding, modestly powered (most of 'em) vehicle that's reliable as an anvil (generally, with some exceptions of course). Not what you want if you're gonna go auto crossing. But perfect for that 1,500 mile trip across the country or that mindless 50 mile daily commute. Ya know... what 99% of us use cars for.
haters gonna hate lol.

I'm really curious how soft riding this new one is going to be. They only shown the top of the crop XSE and XLE, a bit curious how a tone down base 'vanilla' LE would look like and drive.
 

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The following is directly from Toyota's website regarding the 2018 Camry... and I quote:

"Let powerful design and aggressive exterior styling announce your arrival—with authority."

"with its fearless new look"







It's so sad the average driver feels so THREATENED on their daily motor-travels that they feel the need to 'protect themselves' with an 'aggressive, powerful, authoritative' FRONT.......

Happy cars, happy people... that was the old Toyota design ideology... I wish they'd bring that back before we enter a new Dark-age of surly-face automotive deisgn.... perhaps its too late...



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Everything is becoming aggressive. From larger tires (optional 19" now? Geez the cost), larger vehicles, and more features. It's the 'in' thing for now unfortunately. Maybe Toyota got tired of everybody complaining about the 'boring' and 'conservative' designs. Toyota did need to make it more competitive with the rest of the field to get the younger buyers excited with the demise of Scion.

Of course we (the forums) represent probably an extremely small group. It comes down to the rest of the population on what they want really.

I think it's a trend and fashion. The 80's and 90s was conservative. 00's and 10s were plain with a hint of sports (SE trim Gen5-7) and now the aggressive 'in your face' Gen7.5-8 models. It'll probably change when the aggressive looks boring and go back when conservative looks 'cool' again.
 

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I read Jalopnik regularly, and there's just so much irrational hating on Camrys. Yeah, it's not a Miata or an M3. I get that. It's a quiet, soft riding, modestly powered (most of 'em) vehicle that's reliable as an anvil (generally, with some exceptions of course). Not what you want if you're gonna go auto crossing. But perfect for that 1,500 mile trip across the country or that mindless 50 mile daily commute. Ya know... what 99% of us use cars for.
Lol, did you see that pic in the first reply about what Jalopnik readers say?

Yeah, they do, it really is overblown. Guess it's their shtick. Hah, the way I stumbled onto it was I had a '95 Buick Roadmaster with a Viper manual. Friend said, "OMG you have to see this website it loves your car"
 

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Lol, did you see that pic in the first reply about what Jalopnik readers say?
Yeah, that was pretty darn funny!

I don't take Jalopnik articles or the comments too seriously. A lot of funny stuff gets put up there.
 

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I have said it many times I will say it again, the LAST GOOD CAMRY WAS THE 2001 MODEL YEAR. All of the camrys after that have been trash especially the more recent ones from 2012 - . The 2018 is no exception it continues the ugly offensive trend, it is an ugly overly fashioned car and it doesnt look too different from the current model with that huge front grille and sad to say this offensive trend in cars looks like it will be a "thing" for several years, I have especially noticed this trend really started coming out since the mid 2010s, even in the start of the 2010s car designs were not this offensive they still continued the "plain" look of the 2000s but we are now heading into a larger segment of offensive looking vehicles (I guess its a futuristic thing :0 ). Most of these designs wont age well either, usually conservative cars age better as is the case with the 4th gen camry - one of the most handsome looking cars IMO. I really do miss the designs of the 80s and 90s which is why I opted for the 2015 Honda Accord because the 9th gen looks more conservative compared to anything else in the mid size segment however Honda ruined the car with the refresh 2016 model so now the accord too carries an aggressive stance like all the other cars. I do plan on buying a 2000-01 model camry as a second car though because I just can't get enough of the styling. The 4th gen camry will ALWAYS have a place in my heart.

When it comes down to interior quality, I also think newer cars have inferior interiors compared to older models - way too many hard plastics in new cars. Even my 2015 Accord which is considered to have a high quality interior is still abundant with hard plastics. The toyotas from the 90s had the best interior hands down especially the camry it felt like a luxury car! Now Toyotas have the worst interiors especially camry...This new camry looks like it has good quality materials but I just dont like the design or layout of the center stack it doesnt look very user friendly and is not conventional - looks more like a sports car interior which isnt the camry spirit. If anyone in this section is thinking about buying the new 2018 camry do NOT go for it, its a waste of money on an ugly designed vehicle!
 

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I have said it many times I will say it again, the LAST GOOD CAMRY WAS THE 2001 MODEL YEAR. All of the camrys after that have been trash especially the more recent ones from 2012 - . The 2018 is no exception it continues the ugly offensive trend, it is an ugly overly fashioned car and it doesnt look too different from the current model with that huge front grille and sad to say this offensive trend in cars looks like it will be a "thing" for several years, I have especially noticed this trend really started coming out since the mid 2010s, even in the start of the 2010s car designs were not this offensive they still continued the "plain" look of the 2000s but we are now heading into a larger segment of offensive looking vehicles (I guess its a futuristic thing :0 ). Most of these designs wont age well either, usually conservative cars age better as is the case with the 4th gen camry - one of the most handsome looking cars IMO. I really do miss the designs of the 80s and 90s which is why I opted for the 2015 Honda Accord because the 9th gen looks more conservative compared to anything else in the mid size segment however Honda ruined the car with the refresh 2016 model so now the accord too carries an aggressive stance like all the other cars. I do plan on buying a 2000-01 model camry as a second car though because I just can't get enough of the styling. The 4th gen camry will ALWAYS have a place in my heart.

When it comes down to interior quality, I also think newer cars have inferior interiors compared to older models - way too many hard plastics in new cars. Even my 2015 Accord which is considered to have a high quality interior is still abundant with hard plastics. The toyotas from the 90s had the best interior hands down especially the camry it felt like a luxury car! Now Toyotas have the worst interiors especially camry...This new camry looks like it has good quality materials but I just dont like the design or layout of the center stack it doesnt look very user friendly and is not conventional - looks more like a sports car interior which isnt the camry spirit. If anyone in this section is thinking about buying the new 2018 camry do NOT go for it, its a waste of money on an ugly designed vehicle!
My mom's 2013 Corolla feels really nasty inside with the hard plastics. Especially the halfway-between-soft-and-hard textured steering wheel.

In contrast my 2000 Camry's doors close with a satisfying thunk, it rides smooth, and is really quiet inside...
 

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The grille needs refinement and the seats look lacking, other than that I'm pleased with this refresh. The interior borrows from features that I enjoy from Lexus, and the side body line that goes through the door handles look fantastic. My 99 Camry LE runs great, and I love Tesla's, but I'm definitely considering the 2018 Camry in the event something catastrophic happens.
 

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In all the generation of Camry, I have a soft spot for the Gen1. Grew up in them. The best interior panel quality goes to the Gen3 follow by the Gen4. The Gen4 lost some of it's touch but still was there, but superior compared to the Gen5+. Both gen3/4 allows some pretty decent sound setup if you go with that route and sound deadening can be added without much issue too.

In exterior designs, I love the Gen4 the best. The 4.5 looked heavy in the front but offer better rear and front light output. Really wish that the Gen4 had factory fogs standard with the XLE trim. Some of the best HAVC controls was in the Gen1-4. Gen5 was a bit weird for the XLE HAVC control panel trim (LE/SE was okay). Can't say anything about the newer generation though. Seats in the Gen4 was softer materials than of the Gen4.5 IMO.
 

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I am wondering whether a successful business can be created by making a replacement (better designed) front grill for all the recent and future Toyota and Lexus? A unfortunate front bumper damage might become a happy event.
 

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