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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called around
to get prices for a timing belt replacement.

Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
Pep Boys= $550
Firestone= around $700
Tread Quarters= $450

Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I do have
the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that much lower than
the other service stations. I realize they have the proper tools for
the job but even their normal price is significantly lower. Any
thoughts?
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
"badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called around
> to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
>
> Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> Pep Boys= $550
> Firestone= around $700
> Tread Quarters= $450
>
> Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I do have
> the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that much lower than
> the other service stations. I realize they have the proper tools for
> the job but even their normal price is significantly lower. Any
> thoughts?


$248 - I believe that's the V6 coupon price here, too. $199 for I4s.

Is it possible that Toyota subsidizes timing belt replacement?
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
DH wrote:
> "badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called around
> > to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
> >
> > Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> > Pep Boys= $550
> > Firestone= around $700
> > Tread Quarters= $450
> >
> > Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I do have
> > the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that much lower than
> > the other service stations. I realize they have the proper tools for
> > the job but even their normal price is significantly lower. Any
> > thoughts?

>
> $248 - I believe that's the V6 coupon price here, too. $199 for I4s.


Here's a thought... stay away from chain garages. The top deal sounds
the best. I would suggest seeing when the earliest is that each place
could schedule you (this is an unscientific gauge of how busy they
are), but that doesn't apply so well with chain facilities.

Firestone is notorious for being overpriced. No surprise! Sounds like
the dealer wins the bidding war.
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
> My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called around
> to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
>
> Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> Pep Boys= $550
> Firestone= around $700
> Tread Quarters= $450
>
> Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I do have
> the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that much lower than
> the other service stations. I realize they have the proper tools for
> the job but even their normal price is significantly lower. Any
> thoughts?


Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump, idler pulley and
oil seals.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
ZR wrote:
> > My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called around
> > to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
> >
> > Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> > Pep Boys= $550
> > Firestone= around $700
> > Tread Quarters= $450
> >
> > Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I do have
> > the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that much lower than
> > the other service stations. I realize they have the proper tools for
> > the job but even their normal price is significantly lower. Any
> > thoughts?

>
> Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump, idler pulley and
> oil seals.


Who would quote a timing belt replacement without all of the above
included? Dare say, certainly a dealership repair shop would not be so
trifling and negligent.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,1:24:41 AM, wrote:

>
> ZR wrote:
> > > My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called
> > > around to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
> > >
> > > Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> > > Pep Boys= $550
> > > Firestone= around $700
> > > Tread Quarters= $450
> > >
> > > Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I do
> > > have the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that much
> > > lower than the other service stations. I realize they have the
> > > proper tools for the job but even their normal price is
> > > significantly lower. Any thoughts?

> >
> > Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump, idler
> > pulley and oil seals.

>
> Who would quote a timing belt replacement without all of the above
> included? Dare say, certainly a dealership repair shop would not be
> so trifling and negligent.


The previous times I have had the timing belts replaced on my Camrys
they have never replaced the water pump. In each instance they
inspected it and said it was fine. My 94 had 168K when sold and my 97
has 118K. I'm hoping that will be the case with the Sienna also of
course.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

badgolferman wrote:
> Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,1:24:41 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> > ZR wrote:
> > > > My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called
> > > > around to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
> > > >
> > > > Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> > > > Pep Boys= $550
> > > > Firestone= around $700
> > > > Tread Quarters= $450
> > > >
> > > > Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I do
> > > > have the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that much
> > > > lower than the other service stations. I realize they have the
> > > > proper tools for the job but even their normal price is
> > > > significantly lower. Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump, idler
> > > pulley and oil seals.

> >
> > Who would quote a timing belt replacement without all of the above
> > included? Dare say, certainly a dealership repair shop would not be
> > so trifling and negligent.

>
> The previous times I have had the timing belts replaced on my Camrys
> they have never replaced the water pump. In each instance they
> inspected it and said it was fine. My 94 had 168K when sold and my 97
> has 118K. I'm hoping that will be the case with the Sienna also of
> course.


As I've mentioned on here a few times by now, my owner's manual (95
Corolla) is pretty clear in stating that under normal usage the timing
belt should hold up fine (without replacement).

I've discovered another reason to change it though -- because over time
the waterpump or related parts may need to be changed. In this case,
since the mechanic will have to go that far anyway, I'll have him
replace the timing belt as well.


Ahhh vacation is wonderful -- back to holding the couch down
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
"Learning Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
<snip>
>>
>> Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump, idler pulley
>> and
>> oil seals.

>
> Who would quote a timing belt replacement without all of the above
> included? Dare say, certainly a dealership repair shop would not be so
> trifling and negligent.
>

I've had four timing belts replaced in two Camrys. All of the quotes were
for the timing belt only. All suggested that the water pump be replaced too.
jor
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,8:37:07 AM, wrote:

>
> badgolferman wrote:
> > Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,1:24:41 AM, wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ZR wrote:
> > > > > My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called
> > > > > around to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> > > > > Pep Boys= $550
> > > > > Firestone= around $700
> > > > > Tread Quarters= $450
> > > > >
> > > > > Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I
> > > > > do have the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that
> > > > > much lower than the other service stations. I realize they
> > > > > have the proper tools for the job but even their normal price
> > > > > is significantly lower. Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump,
> > > > idler pulley and oil seals.
> > >
> > > Who would quote a timing belt replacement without all of the above
> > > included? Dare say, certainly a dealership repair shop would not
> > > be so trifling and negligent.

> >
> > The previous times I have had the timing belts replaced on my Camrys
> > they have never replaced the water pump. In each instance they
> > inspected it and said it was fine. My 94 had 168K when sold and my
> > 97 has 118K. I'm hoping that will be the case with the Sienna also
> > of course.

>
> As I've mentioned on here a few times by now, my owner's manual (95
> Corolla) is pretty clear in stating that under normal usage the timing
> belt should hold up fine (without replacement).
>
> I've discovered another reason to change it though -- because over
> time the waterpump or related parts may need to be changed. In this
> case, since the mechanic will have to go that far anyway, I'll have
> him replace the timing belt as well.
>
>
> Ahhh vacation is wonderful -- back to holding the couch down


Richard,
You seem to be saying that the timing belt does not need replacement
and the water pump does. I know you're smarter than that...
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

badgolferman wrote:
> Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,8:37:07 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> > badgolferman wrote:
> > > Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,1:24:41 AM, wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ZR wrote:
> > > > > > My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called
> > > > > > around to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> > > > > > Pep Boys= $550
> > > > > > Firestone= around $700
> > > > > > Tread Quarters= $450
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I
> > > > > > do have the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that
> > > > > > much lower than the other service stations. I realize they
> > > > > > have the proper tools for the job but even their normal price
> > > > > > is significantly lower. Any thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump,
> > > > > idler pulley and oil seals.
> > > >
> > > > Who would quote a timing belt replacement without all of the above
> > > > included? Dare say, certainly a dealership repair shop would not
> > > > be so trifling and negligent.
> > >
> > > The previous times I have had the timing belts replaced on my Camrys
> > > they have never replaced the water pump. In each instance they
> > > inspected it and said it was fine. My 94 had 168K when sold and my
> > > 97 has 118K. I'm hoping that will be the case with the Sienna also
> > > of course.

> >
> > As I've mentioned on here a few times by now, my owner's manual (95
> > Corolla) is pretty clear in stating that under normal usage the timing
> > belt should hold up fine (without replacement).
> >
> > I've discovered another reason to change it though -- because over
> > time the waterpump or related parts may need to be changed. In this
> > case, since the mechanic will have to go that far anyway, I'll have
> > him replace the timing belt as well.
> >
> >
> > Ahhh vacation is wonderful -- back to holding the couch down

>
> Richard,
> You seem to be saying that the timing belt does not need replacement
> and the water pump does. I know you're smarter than that...


I'm not saying anything. My owner's manual says that the timing belt
does not need replacement.
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,11:40:11 PM, wrote:

>
> badgolferman wrote:
> > Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,8:37:07 AM, wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > badgolferman wrote:
> > > > Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,1:24:41 AM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ZR wrote:
> > > > > > > My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I
> > > > > > > called around to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> > > > > > > Pep Boys= $550
> > > > > > > Firestone= around $700
> > > > > > > Tread Quarters= $450
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive
> > > > > > > and I do have the coupon. However I find it odd that
> > > > > > > they are that much lower than the other service stations.
> > > > > > > I realize they have the proper tools for the job but even
> > > > > > > their normal price is significantly lower. Any thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump,
> > > > > > idler pulley and oil seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who would quote a timing belt replacement without all of the
> > > > > above included? Dare say, certainly a dealership repair shop
> > > > > would not be so trifling and negligent.
> > > >
> > > > The previous times I have had the timing belts replaced on my
> > > > Camrys they have never replaced the water pump. In each
> > > > instance they inspected it and said it was fine. My 94 had
> > > > 168K when sold and my 97 has 118K. I'm hoping that will be the
> > > > case with the Sienna also of course.
> > >
> > > As I've mentioned on here a few times by now, my owner's manual
> > > (95 Corolla) is pretty clear in stating that under normal usage
> > > the timing belt should hold up fine (without replacement).
> > >
> > > I've discovered another reason to change it though -- because over
> > > time the waterpump or related parts may need to be changed. In
> > > this case, since the mechanic will have to go that far anyway,
> > > I'll have him replace the timing belt as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahhh vacation is wonderful -- back to holding the couch down

> >
> > Richard,
> > You seem to be saying that the timing belt does not need replacement
> > and the water pump does. I know you're smarter than that...

>
> I'm not saying anything. My owner's manual says that the timing belt
> does not need replacement.


Timing belt or timing chain? What is the engine model?
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
badgolferman, 12/27/2005, 4:54:39 PM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

> My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I called around
> to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
>
> Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> Pep Boys= $550
> Firestone= around $700
> Tread Quarters= $450
>
> Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive and I do have
> the coupon. However I find it odd that they are that much lower than
> the other service stations. I realize they have the proper tools for
> the job but even their normal price is significantly lower. Any
> thoughts?


For those who are following this thread here is the final count.
Dealer replaced timing belt for total cost of $276 which included
competitor's coupon. Water pump and tensioner were not replaced
because they were in fine shape. I questioned those two items before
and after job was done and they assured me they would/were inspected.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

badgolferman wrote:
> Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,11:40:11 PM, wrote:
>
> >
> > badgolferman wrote:
> > > Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,8:37:07 AM, wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > badgolferman wrote:
> > > > > Learning Richard, 12/28/2005,1:24:41 AM, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ZR wrote:
> > > > > > > > My 2000 Sienna just went over 90K miles on our trip. I
> > > > > > > > called around to get prices for a timing belt replacement.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dealer= $355 or $248 with coupon
> > > > > > > > Pep Boys= $550
> > > > > > > > Firestone= around $700
> > > > > > > > Tread Quarters= $450
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Obviously I'm pleased the dealer is much less expensive
> > > > > > > > and I do have the coupon. However I find it odd that
> > > > > > > > they are that much lower than the other service stations.
> > > > > > > > I realize they have the proper tools for the job but even
> > > > > > > > their normal price is significantly lower. Any thoughts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some of the more expensive quotes might include water pump,
> > > > > > > idler pulley and oil seals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who would quote a timing belt replacement without all of the
> > > > > > above included? Dare say, certainly a dealership repair shop
> > > > > > would not be so trifling and negligent.
> > > > >
> > > > > The previous times I have had the timing belts replaced on my
> > > > > Camrys they have never replaced the water pump. In each
> > > > > instance they inspected it and said it was fine. My 94 had
> > > > > 168K when sold and my 97 has 118K. I'm hoping that will be the
> > > > > case with the Sienna also of course.
> > > >
> > > > As I've mentioned on here a few times by now, my owner's manual
> > > > (95 Corolla) is pretty clear in stating that under normal usage
> > > > the timing belt should hold up fine (without replacement).
> > > >
> > > > I've discovered another reason to change it though -- because over
> > > > time the waterpump or related parts may need to be changed. In
> > > > this case, since the mechanic will have to go that far anyway,
> > > > I'll have him replace the timing belt as well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ahhh vacation is wonderful -- back to holding the couch down
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > > You seem to be saying that the timing belt does not need replacement
> > > and the water pump does. I know you're smarter than that...

> >
> > I'm not saying anything. My owner's manual says that the timing belt
> > does not need replacement.

>
> Timing belt or timing chain? What is the engine model?


95 base model, 1.6l, 5 speed, 107k miles, fresh oil regularly, new
tires, brakes, windshield, and a missing hubcap (plus one hubcap that
has, mysteriously, 5 fake lugnuts instead of 4).
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

As usual Richard didn't answer the question. ??...

When I had my 4cyl. camry done recently the SA said you really can go
till it breaks and then get it done. He said ALL totyota engines are the
kind (non-interference?) where the timing belt breaking is not an issue
, that is as long as you have AAA.

Not what I've read on here though??
Who is right?
CP
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

.... unless of course it breaks in an unsafe or dangerous place. I had a
water pump fail while climbing a tall bridge over the Baltimore Harbor, Key
bridge on I-895. At least it would run. A timing belt break will strand you.

Most of the new Yota engines are interference. My new Sienna with the 3.3 l
is interference. The water pump is only an extra $90.
"Charles Pisano" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> As usual Richard didn't answer the question. ??...
>
> When I had my 4cyl. camry done recently the SA said you really can go
> till it breaks and then get it done. He said ALL totyota engines are the
> kind (non-interference?) where the timing belt breaking is not an issue
> , that is as long as you have AAA.
>
> Not what I've read on here though??
> Who is right?
> CP
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

Charles Pisano wrote:
> As usual Richard didn't answer the question. ??...
>
> When I had my 4cyl. camry done recently the SA said you really can go
> till it breaks and then get it done. He said ALL totyota engines are the
> kind (non-interference?) where the timing belt breaking is not an issue


if you had a god damned brain you could easily deduce what fucking kind
of engine I have from my description of it.

Obviously the damned thing is non-interference, webtv, that's not my
point, my point is that the owners manual says don't replace it under
normal use.
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:00:50 -0500, [email protected] (Charles
Pisano) used the worlds worst news client to write:

>As usual Richard didn't answer the question. ??...
>
> When I had my 4cyl. camry done recently the SA said you really can go
>till it breaks and then get it done.


Of course he'd say that. Two separate jobs means more money for the
SA's company.

> He said ALL totyota engines are the kind (non-interference?) where the timing belt breaking is not an issue
>, that is as long as you have AAA.


And the time to be without the car and the money to pay for the job.

>
>Not what I've read on here though??
>Who is right?


Both. You can do it later. It'll only cost time and money. If you
have a lot of money or your time isn't worth anything then you're
fine.
--
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:40:54 -0500, "Howard Cohen"
<[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and
wrote:

>... unless of course it breaks in an unsafe or dangerous place. I had a
>water pump fail while climbing a tall bridge over the Baltimore Harbor, Key
>bridge on I-895. At least it would run. A timing belt break will strand you.
>
>Most of the new Yota engines are interference. My new Sienna with the 3.3 l
>is interference. The water pump is only an extra $90.
>"Charles Pisano" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> As usual Richard didn't answer the question. ??...
>>
>> When I had my 4cyl. camry done recently the SA said you really can go
>> till it breaks and then get it done. He said ALL totyota engines are the
>> kind (non-interference?) where the timing belt breaking is not an issue
>> , that is as long as you have AAA.
>>
>> Not what I've read on here though??
>> Who is right?
>> CP


So you ran it without coolant? Damaging your engine to save a walk is
pretty fucking stupid. 'Course, you're a top poster so that's
redundant.
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:40:54 -0500, "Howard Cohen"
> <[email protected]> top posted like an ignorant fucking moron and
> wrote:
>
> >... unless of course it breaks in an unsafe or dangerous place. I had a
> >water pump fail while climbing a tall bridge over the Baltimore Harbor, Key
> >bridge on I-895. At least it would run. A timing belt break will strand you.
> >
> >Most of the new Yota engines are interference. My new Sienna with the 3.3 l
> >is interference. The water pump is only an extra $90.
> >"Charles Pisano" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]
> >> As usual Richard didn't answer the question. ??...
> >>
> >> When I had my 4cyl. camry done recently the SA said you really can go
> >> till it breaks and then get it done. He said ALL totyota engines are the
> >> kind (non-interference?) where the timing belt breaking is not an issue
> >> , that is as long as you have AAA.
> >>
> >> Not what I've read on here though??
> >> Who is right?
> >> CP

>
> So you ran it without coolant? Damaging your engine to save a walk is
> pretty fucking stupid. 'Course, you're a top poster so that's
> redundant.


Dude have you ever been on the key bridge??? Hell, I'd run my car
without coolant too, if I broke down there.
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Re: Water Pump Replacement (Re: timing belt replacement)

Learning Richard, 1/10/2006, 8:33:42 AM,
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Dude have you ever been on the key bridge??? Hell, I'd run my car
> without coolant too, if I broke down there.


I thought Key Bridge was between Arlington and Washington. I didn't
know there is one in Baltimore.
 
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