Toyota Camry TRD vs Honda Accord 2.0T

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sreeramraj4791

Discussion Starter · 2 mo ago (Edited)

https://flattorque.wordpress.com/2018-accord-vs-2018-camry/

Take a look at performance comparison of America's two favorite Family Sedan - Toyota Camry TRD 3.5 V6 vs Honda Accord 2.0 Turbo

Engine Performance comparison

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Quarter Mile Performance
Comparison of Force, Acceleration available at wheels and much more.

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Gugi53

· #2 · 2 mo ago

You go for Honda in my opinion. You buy what you want, it's your money. But Toyota is a better car. Honda has many problems with transmission, differential, and catalyzation convertors. It's not the convertor, it's what makes to be bad. Like I say, it's your money.

sreeramraj4791 said:
https://flattorque.wordpress.com/2018-accord-vs-2018-camry/

Take a look at performance comparison of America's two favorite Family Sedan - Toyota Camry TRD 3.5 V6 vs Honda Accord 2.0 Turbo

Engine Performance comparison
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Speed vs Time
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Quarter Mile Performance
Comparison of Force, Acceleration available at wheels and much more.

https://flattorque.wordpress.com/2018-accord-vs-2018-camry/

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sreeramraj4791

Discussion Starter · #3 · 2 mo ago

Gugi53 said:
You go for Honda in my opinion. You buy what you want, it's your money. But Toyota is a better car. Honda has many problems with transmission, differential, and catalyzation convertors. It's not the convertor, it's what makes to be bad. Like I say, it's your money.

Bro, I am not saying buy Honda or Toyota. This is just a post about how Engineering works. How small specifications starting from Gear Ratio, Engine Power, Decides your Vehicle Performance.

Of course, Turbo Engine outsmarts Toyota V6 engine at low speed but at top speeds, Toyota is one that leads.

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Turbocat9000

· #4 · 2 mo ago

Those graphs are not accurate at all. The 2.0t torque "curve" is especially suspect.

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swimf

· #5 · 2 mo ago

I think i see what's happening... There's no way the Accord is hitting peak power before 2000rpm..

This is just comparing sticker size without actually whippin it out to show us who's is really longer, right?

Gugi53

· #6 · 2 mo ago

Everybody knows that. The question is, do you want a car for a long time or a powerful one for a short time? Why did you post this? What do you want to prove?

sreeramraj4791 said:
Bro, I am not saying buy Honda or Toyota. This is just a post about how Engineering works. How small specifications starting from Gear Ratio, Engine Power, Decides your Vehicle Performance.

Of course, Turbo Engine outsmarts Toyota V6 engine at low speed but at top speeds, Toyota is one that leads.

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sreeramraj4791

Discussion Starter · #7 · 2 mo ago

Turbocat9000 said:
Those graphs are not accurate at all. The 2.0t torque "curve" is especially suspect.

This is from Honda Media Page. 2018 Accord Specifications & Features

Honda Turbo Engine Reaches Max Torque 273lb.ft at 1500rpm and remains until 4000 rpm. That is the beauty of Turbo Engine. High Torque at Low rpm.

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swimf

· #8 · 2 mo ago

Turbocat9000 said:
Those graphs are not accurate at all. The 2.0t torque curve is especially suspect.

It's not a dyno graph or from live data, no. So you're correct. I can see at least 2 or more other sus' red flags.. if it was my first time online or visiting the forum , i probably wouldn't think much of it tho. Guess that's the target audience..

swimf

· #9 · 2 mo ago

sreeramraj4791 said:
Honda media page

Yeah say no more. 😂 Damn the mobile view graphs and controls here work amazing though.

Turbocat9000

· #10 · 2 mo ago

sreeramraj4791 said:
This is from Honda Media Page. 2018 Accord Specifications & Features

Honda Turbo Engine Reaches Max Torque 273lb.ft at 1500rpm and remains until 4000 rpm. That is the beauty of Turbo Engine. High Torque at Low rpm.

But it's not a flat line like that. Not even close. Look at any of the hundreds of HP/torque charts out there. Only electric motors come close to being flat like that.

EDIT: Should've checked your history before I wasted my time.

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98CamryLE

· #11 · 2 mo ago

I owned two different Accords with the 2.0t engine- a 2019 Accord Sport 2.0t and a 2021 Accord Touring 2.0t.

I have to admit- that 2.0t engine is pretty sweet, but it's a very different engine compared to Toyota's 3.5L V6. Both have their pros and cons- both in terms of the engine and in terms of the vehicle overall.

The 2.0t is very quick off the line. The turbo engine has a lot of grunt and there's no shortage of power as you go from 0-60. It's quicker off the line compared to the 3.5L V6 and the turbo probably makes it a bit peppier for quick and sudden acceleration needs regardless of speed. The 2.0t is also pretty smooth as far as turbo fours go- but that engine isn't in the same league in terms of smoothness and refinement compared to the 2GR-FKS in the Camry.

The Camry's V6 needs to rev a lot higher to get the same amount of grunt as the 2.0t in the Accord. As a result, it feels slower off the line- and is by a few tenths of a second. Initial grunt is only one aspect of an engine's performance.

Ultimately it's really up to the individual to decide which one is better for them. Ultimately I think that the 2GR-FKS is a much better engine overall. Combined with the fact that my last two Hondas have had some pretty bad quality issues (which led me to trade my 2021 Accord in after less than a year)... and I know which one I'd rather have in my driveway.

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sreeramraj4791

Discussion Starter · #12 · 2 mo ago

Turbocat9000 said:
But it's not a flat line like that. Not even close. Look at any of the hundreds of HP/torque charts out there. Only electric motors come close to being flat like that.

EDIT: Should've checked your history before I wasted my time.

So, your assumption of specification is true compared to what was published by Honda in their media page? Great ! There are so many Dyno graphs available out in the internet for your disbelief.

STSinNYC

· #13 · 2 mo ago

I have another experience with a 2 liter turbo and the Toyota 3.5 V6. My 2017 A4 allroad's 2 liter EA888 Audi tuned turbo engine produces its max 273 lb-ft of torque at 1600 rpm (on 91 octane fuel). IIRC the Audi HP and torque numbers have been verified in testing. I also have a 2007 Camry V6. The Audi is certainly quicker 0-60, partly because of the quick torque build and partly because of the tuning of the 7 speed Stronic trans. Both engines are very smooth at highway speeds. With a tall 7th gear the Audi only revs at 1700 rpm at 75mph. The Camry V6 revs 2200 rpm at the same speed, at maybe 215 lb-ft of torque, needing another 2500 rpm to produce max torque. The Audi is actually more fuel efficient at 75mph by about 1.5-2 mpg, but again requires 91+ octane. I am a fan of the 2GR-FE 3.5 in my Camry. At 155k miles, not using any oil, runs smoothly, no problems to date, should last many more miles.

Back to the Accord vs Camry question...if I was only going to own one of the two cars for a short time, a year or less, the Accord would be more fun to drive, but for long term ownership, I would choose the Toyota V6.

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Vegashybrid

· #14 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

sreeramraj4791 said:
This is from Honda Media Page. 2018 Accord Specifications & Features

Honda Turbo Engine Reaches Max Torque 273lb.ft at 1500rpm and remains until 4000 rpm. That is the beauty of Turbo Engine. High Torque at Low rpm.

Incorrect. That's the beauty of a small scroll turbo. It still doesn't have a flat torque curve like that. As stated only electric/hybrid vehicle have lines that flat. The downside is that after 4k rpm the car is out of power. Bigger turbos have much more lag, and dyno looks nowhere near that.

Busa789

· #15 · 2 mo ago

The Honda turbo torque curve does look oddly flat, but they can truncate the curve to their desire by limiting boost. Often turbo vehicles have limited torque in low gear, and mine won't build any boost if my foot is on the brakes. Reasons for limits are safety and weakest-link longevity. I guess someone here will have to buy one and put it on a dyno!

98CamryLE

· #16 · 2 mo ago

STSinNYC said:
Back to the Accord vs Camry question...if I was only going to own one of the two cars for a short time, a year or less, the Accord would be more fun to drive, but for long term ownership, I would choose the Toyota V6.

^This^

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turtle93

· #17 · 2 mo ago

The resale graph definitely favors the Camry.
All the new electrics are outperforming the gas dyno-saurs anyway. Moot point

diddly

· #18 · 2 mo ago

Gugi53 said:
Everybody knows that. The question is, do you want a car for a long time or a powerful one for a short time? Why did you post this? What do you want to prove?

98CamryLE said:
^This^

I second ^This^
One thing that confused me right away though when I looked at the graph: WHY does it look like BOTH of these engines attain 350+ lb.ft. of torque?! Is something very wrong with the graph, or am I interpreting the data therein, incorrectly? Even the Camry's 3.5L looks like it crosses 350 lb.ft. at around 4800 RPMs(?)

Bippy

· #19 · 2 mo ago

The Camry TRD is quicker than that link shows.
I've seen a blue one at Texas Motorplex that runs 14.0 consistently in bracket racing.

www.caranddriver.com

Toyota Camry TRD: From Family Car to Track Star

Toyota Racing Development does its best to transform a 2020 Camry V-6 into a real sports sedan.

www.caranddriver.com

diddly

· #20 · 2 mo ago

Bippy said:
The Camry TRD is quicker than that link shows.
I've seen a blue one at Texas Motorplex that runs 14.0 consistently in bracket racing.

Toyota Camry TRD: From Family Car to Track Star

Toyota Racing Development does its best to transform a 2020 Camry V-6 into a real sports sedan.

www.caranddriver.com

Is it bone stock?

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