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Discussion Starter · #21 ·
That may be your opinion but certainly not what we saw in my former fleet
service business. We serviced thousands of vehicles monthly in our shops
locate in six eastern states. No particular brand stands out from the
others in dependability. We serviced nearly every brand of vehicle.
Corporate fleets generally keep the vehicles they use, as tools in their
business, for five years or 300K WOF because of federal corporate tax
deprecation laws. We saw little difference among brands in terms of
longevity when the vehicles were given the proper maintenance such as we
provided. The only real difference among brands is style and the price of
accusation, insurance, maintenance and parts. Any vehicle one buys today,
domestic or foreign, well easily last to 200K or more is given decent
maintenance. As a consumer who keeps their vehicle till it dies, one should
be more concerned about the price of the car and its parts than the need for
them, since they all need to be repaired at some point. As to the chance
of your friend seeing more of particular brand, is like asking someone in
the Bronx Zoo if they see more pigeons or penguins. One must remember GM
has five times as many vehicles on the road and Ford four times as many as
any other brand. Since Toyota arrived in the US in 1958, the past few years
is the only time it has sold more than 1,000,000 vehicles annually, while GM
and Ford sold more than half of ALL of the up to 19,000,000 vehicles sold
annually in the US over the same period. Even today GM and Ford sell more
trucks alone than does Toyota, Lexus, and Scion sells cars and trucks
combined today.



mike hunt



"Joey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Razz,
>
> I guess I'm another one of those idiots because I know for a fact that
> Toyota's don't experience the major problems US cars do. It's the only
> one I've not had trouble with. I have a friend who owns a transmission
> business and I've asked him just how many Toyota transmissions he works
> on. His answer---none, but plenty of Fords, GM's, etc. Facts are Facts
> and the foreign cars are built better, but then again, I'm just one of
> those american idiots, but a proud one !!!!
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #22 ·
What makes you believe that? GM sells far more cars than Toyota, somebody
must like the cars they sell. Same with trucks and SUVs. GM sells more of
those in two months than Toyota sells in a year. Toyota make good vehicles
but apparently a lot of buyer prefer something other than a Toyota since the
only sell around 10% of all the vehicles sold in the US ;)


mike hunt


"Bruce L. Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> If you don't build cars that people want to buy, it's not the
> buyers' fault. The SSR and some newer offerings look interesting, but
> they might be too little, too late.
>
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
> Posted from a.a.Toyota
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> Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
> Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
> 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
> Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.
 
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Discussion Starter · #23 ·
What makes you think that? GM and Ford still sell for more than any other
manufacture and more than all of the import brands combined. ;)

mike hunt


<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> GM and Ford would probably both be better off by declaring bankruptcy,
> and starting with fresh faces and ideas.
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Discussion Starter · #24 ·
The only Toyota truck made in the US is their small truck that is assembled
in the GM/Toyota plant in California. GM, Ford and Dodge make the vast
majority of the trucks they sell in the US, in the US of American parts.

mike hunt

"Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Adam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Toyota could never put GM out of business. There are too many proud
>> americans that buy GMs in some form..
>>

>
> Never say Never. Lots of proud Americans are buying Japanese. Especially
> when they find out their Japanese trucks are made in the U.S., while their
> American ones are actually made in Canada or Mexico.
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Discussion Starter · #25 ·
Several years ago the NYC Taxi Commission permitted a three year test to
judge FWD cars and minivans for suitability as taxis in the city. Taxi
companies bought domestic and foreign brands for use as taxis, hoping to
same money. Within three months they were showing up in repair shops.
Within two years nearly 90% had been taken out of service. At the end of the
test only RWD vehicles were allowed to be use as Taxis in NYC..

The average NYC CV Taxi has on 300,000,000 miles on the clock and some are
run up to a million miles before being replaced. Many actually start out as
former police vehicles..When I still owned my fleet service business Ford
had around 80% of the corporate fleet business on the east cost. Our
meticulous maintenance records over many years showed that Ford vehicles
were the most cost effect to own, long term, based on the cost of
acquisition, insurance, maintenance, repair, parts and vehicle replacement
costs. No other manufacture even came close in that regard. I was that
experience that led me to switch for Lexus V8s I had been buying to the
Lincoln LS V8 in 1999. The kicker was I saved nearly enough money switching
that I was able to buy my first in a series of Mustang GT convertibles ;)


mike hunt


"joe schmoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:55:49 GMT, <[email protected]> wrote:
>


> Don't count the Big 3 out, just recall how Ford turned around in the
> 1990's.
>
>
> PS When the Police and Cabbies start driving Toyota's and Suzuki's
> I'll begin to accept that Japanese quality extends beyond "initial
> quality".
 
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Discussion Starter · #26 ·
I quess you never heard of Hondas ongoing brake problems have you ;)

mike hunt


"Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I do not think it is as much a problem of real quality "deficit" but more
>the rampant *perception* of bad quality from the buying public, along with
>GM management, union contract, etc...
>
> No, wait, my venture is going back to the dealership yet again tomorrow
> for another problem with the ABS. It is GM bad quality after all!
>
>
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Discussion Starter · #27 ·
[email protected] wrote:

>I really don't think it's the quality difference that's hurting them as
>much as their crappy car lineup and union agreements.


I agree. They intentionally pursued the low-cost, mediocre-car
strategy, ceding the "best of class" status to cars like the Accord.
 
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Discussion Starter · #28 ·
Realto Margarino wrote:

>Why would anyone take the word of a top-poster?


Hehe.

>Learn how to post
>properly and people will give you more respect.


Snap!
 
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Discussion Starter · #29 ·
Top-posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:

>That may be your opinion


Every consider using paragraphs, "Mike". I for one never read those
verbose messes you leave. Of course, I know it's all bullshit anyway,
coming from you.
 
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Discussion Starter · #30 ·
Top posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:

>What makes you believe that? GM sells far more cars than Toyota,


Wrong, idiot, and since yo know it's wrong, that makes you a liar as
well.

>somebody must like the cars they sell.


Some Americans, too stubborn and/or stupid to even consider the
foreign competition, yes. Also those for whom mediocrity suits them
fine.
 
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Discussion Starter · #31 ·
Top posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:

(top posting corrected)

><[email protected]> wrote:
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>> GM and Ford would probably both be better off by declaring bankruptcy,
>> and starting with fresh faces and ideas.

>
>What makes you think that?


Because it's probably true. If for nothing else, they'll probably
declare bankruptcy to get out of their union deals, just like the
airlines have had to do.

>GM and Ford still sell for more than any other
>manufacture and more than all of the import brands combined. ;)


Idiot liar. No, they do not.

Also, what's the trend of Ford and GM's market share, "Mike"?
 
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Discussion Starter · #32 ·
"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The only Toyota truck made in the US is their small truck that is
> assembled in the GM/Toyota plant in California. GM, Ford and Dodge make
> the vast majority of the trucks they sell in the US, in the US of American
> parts.
>
> mike hunt
>



tundras are made in texas....
 
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Discussion Starter · #33 ·
Perhaps where you live the may come from the new plant, but I didn't know
that plant was in production yet. The ones I see on the east coast are
assemble in Indiana and show a '5.'

mike hunt


"Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> The only Toyota truck made in the US is their small truck that is
>> assembled in the GM/Toyota plant in California. GM, Ford and Dodge make
>> the vast majority of the trucks they sell in the US, in the US of
>> American parts.
>>
>> mike hunt
>>

>
>
> tundras are made in texas....
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #34 ·
The tend has been down.but GM and Ford still sell more vehicles than all of
Japanese brands combined. The three domestics sell more the 57% of all the
vehicle sold in the US, whether you believe that or not makes no difference
in that fact.


mike hunt


"dizzy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Top posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:
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> (top posting corrected)
>
>>GM and Ford still sell for more than any other
>>manufacture

>
>
> Also, what's the trend of Ford and GM's market share, "Mike"?
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Discussion Starter · #35 ·
Please enlighten us. Post the total cars sales for GM and total car sales
for Toyota for 2005 so we can see which statement is correct. LOL


mike hunt



"dizzy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Top posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>>What makes you believe that? GM sells far more cars than Toyota,

>
> Wrong, idiot, and since yo know it's wrong, that makes you a liar as
> well.
>
>>somebody must like the cars they sell.

>
> Some Americans, too stubborn and/or stupid to even consider the
> foreign competition, yes. Also those for whom mediocrity suits them
> fine.
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #36 ·
Top-posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:

(top posting corrected)

>"dizzy" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Top posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:
>>
>> (top posting corrected)
>>
>>>GM and Ford still sell for more than any other
>>>manufacture and more than all of the import brands combined.

>>
>> Also, what's the trend of Ford and GM's market share, "Mike"?
>>

>The tend has been down.but GM and Ford still sell more vehicles than all of
>Japanese brands combined. The three domestics sell more the 57% of all the
>vehicle sold in the US, whether you believe that or not makes no difference
>in that fact.


Idiot. You're changing your story to "in the US" and also to include
"the three domestics".
 
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Discussion Starter · #37 ·
Smoking that loco weed again eh? LOL


mike hunt

"dizzy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Top-posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:
>
> (top posting corrected)
>
>>"dizzy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Top posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>
>>> (top posting corrected)
>>>
>>>>GM and Ford still sell for more than any other
>>>>manufacture and more than all of the import brands combined.
>>>
>>> Also, what's the trend of Ford and GM's market share, "Mike"?
>>>

>>The tend has been down.but GM and Ford still sell more vehicles than all
>>of
>>Japanese brands combined. The three domestics sell more the 57% of all
>>the
>>vehicle sold in the US, whether you believe that or not makes no
>>difference
>>in that fact.

>
> Idiot. You're changing your story to "in the US" and also to include
> "the three domestics".
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #39 ·
"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What makes you think that? GM and Ford still sell for more than any

other
> manufacture and more than all of the import brands combined. ;)
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > GM and Ford would probably both be better off by declaring bankruptcy,
> > and starting with fresh faces and ideas.


Doesn't make a damn what they sell, Mike. They are approaching bankruptcy.
If they lose money on every car, it is hard to make up the difference on
volume.

Financial gurus, banks, etc all predict that bankruptcy is the most likely
outcome
for GM and Ford, and perhaps is their salvation.
 
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Discussion Starter · #40 ·
"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Both GM and Ford assembly workers have quality group meetings and have for
> years. In addition they can stop the line as well by simply hitting the
> stop button, located at each station. ;)


It is a freaking shame that someone didn't push the button on plastic
plenums, then.
Or shitteaux gaskets..
Or crappola transmissions...
Or substandard body integrity...

Having a quality meeting doesnt mean anything. Producing quality, a foreign
concept to GM and Ford, does.
 
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