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18593 is Subaru's manufacturer plate # in California, so who knows whether that black mule is a BRZ or a FR-S, as that car has stuff from both models.
 

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I call it the Caravan/Voyager syndrome.
Totally. But in this case at least the car is good looking. Don't get me wrong, I like the car and its cool that a car company, let alone Toyota (the company known for snoozemobiles) comes out with a light RWD sports car. I guess my concern was they will eat at each other's sales more IMO.

Without Subaru's help with almost all of the engineering work the 86 would have been nothing but a pipe dream for Toyota. Toyota was responsible for the car's styling and project management. Everything was from the following article.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-subaru-brz-sports-car-prototype-drive

Sharing styling is just a matter saving costs. It makes financial sense when you consider the fact that Subaru spent the majority of their time and money developing prototypes and testing them. Just be glad that the car is reaching production and Toyota has a cool car again that actually appeals to the layman enthusiast.
^^Totally agree. I'm not hating the car, I'm just concerned about too much overlap. Its great Toyota and Subie have this car but they should be more reflect that particular company IMO. The car looks great. And I don't doubt it is great.
 

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Totally. But in this case at least the car is good looking. Don't get me wrong, I like the car and its cool that a car company, let alone Toyota (the company known for snoozemobiles) comes out with a light RWD sports car. I guess my concern was they will eat at each other's sales more IMO.



^^Totally agree. I'm not hating the car, I'm just concerned about too much overlap. Its great Toyota and Subie have this car but they should be more reflect that particular company IMO. The car looks great. And I don't doubt it is great.
We'll see whether any company benefits from this. To the dealers its likely business as usual, it just might be a bit more difficult for the salesman to come up with a reason why one is better than the other. Come to think of it, making this car a Toyota would have given the Toyota version a big helping hand due to how much larger the Toyota dealer network is. If I recall not all Toyota dealers are given Scions to sell...at least that's not the case in Canada.
 

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The "heritage" from the AE86 is automatically chucked out the window thanks to the Scion badges, no matter how hard Toyota wants you to believe the contrary.

DEATH TO SCION!
 

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Looks like we're getting the stripped model then.

Just basics, no push button start, no auto a/c, no heated seats.
 

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Lame! How many people are going to want the Scion? I like the basics but I want some creature comforts....and I'm not paying throigh the nose for overpriced TRD accessories either.
 

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Discussion Starter #210
OFFICIAL RELEASE:


2013 Scion FR-S Brings the SPORT Back to the CAR

* Compact rear-wheel drive sports car makes world debut
* Low center of gravity and lightweight design achieves a “Pure Balance”
* World’s first boxer engine to utilize Toyota’s D4-S direct and port injection system


Los Angeles – November 30, 2011 – Scion tonight unveiled its 2013 FR-S compact rear- wheel drive sports car to a crowd of eager car enthusiasts. The high-performance coupe is the fifth model to join the Scion family and will go on sale in the spring of 2012.
The FR-S, which stands for Front-engine, Rear-wheel drive, Sport; is Scion’s definition of an authentic rear-wheel-drive sports car with exceptionally balanced performance and handling, compelling style, flexible utility and surprising MPG.

“Serving as a laboratory for Toyota, Scion is always experimenting with new things,” said Jack Hollis, Scion vice president. “The brand is iconic with the xB, adrenalized by the tC, and groundbreaking with the iQ. The FR-S will no doubt serve as the halo car, expanding Scion into a new dimension of driving performance.”

The FR-S is a true “scion,” born into a lengthy history of Toyota performance cars and motorsports. The sports car is most inspired by the AE86 generation of the Corolla, better known as the Hachi-Roku, meaning “8-6” in Japanese. The front-engine, rear-wheel-drive coupe was lightweight and well balanced, making it a solid choice for driving enthusiasts.

Inspired by the AE86, the FR-S is designed around the core goal of achieving, “Pure Balance.” The balance begins with the strategic use of the world’s only flat boxer engine in a front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration. The engine’s compact size and flat shape allow it to be mounted mid-ship and extremely low, giving the car a dynamically favorable front-to-rear weight ratio of 53:47 and a low center of gravity comparable to some exotic supercars.

The FR-S’s 2.0-liter, naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine is the result of a joint development between Toyota and Subaru. The partnership begins by combining Subaru’s newly developed horizontally opposed engine and Toyota’s cutting edge D-4S injection system that incorporates both direct and port injection. The D-4S system, partnered with a high 12.5:1 compression ratio, results in an impressive 200 horsepower and 151 pound-feet of torque.

“We all know that it’s not hard to make horsepower and torque, but it is hard to do all that and still achieve impressive fuel economy,” Hollis said. “The FR-S accomplishes all three.”

The flat-four mates with either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual offers quick, precise shifts with a short-throw; while the automatic transmission features aggressive up shifts and sporty rev-matched down shifts that are initiated by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Power is transferred to the pavement via a limited- slip differential.
The idea of “Pure Balance” is further realized by the FR-S’s lightweight design and compact size. The combination allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of corners, with dynamic maneuverability and confident handling. The coupe’s weight is kept to a minimum by utilizing an aluminum hood, a solid roof, and by featuring a trunk design instead of a hatchback.

The FR-S’s low weight is matched with a dynamically tuned suspension setup consisting of MacPherson struts up front and a double wishbone system in the rear. Lightweight 17-inch alloy wheels and ventilated disc brakes are on all four corners.

The fierce exterior of the FR-S is a solid reflection of its inner power. The profile, inspired by the Toyota 2000GT, reveals a hood and roof-line that is remarkably sleek and low, giving it an aerodynamic shape that channels air cleanly over to the top. The low stance continues to exaggerate the coupe’s menacing face, which is made up of sharp lines, a wide mouth and angular headlights. The aggressive front fenders protrude upward and boast the iconic ‘86’ piston emblem, which highlights the car’s AE86 heritage as well as its unique new boxer engine. The rear fascia sits low and wide, with aerodynamic lower treatments that surround the sporty dual exhaust system. LEDs illuminate the edgy taillights, while center-mounted backup lights finish the muscular design.

The FR-S’s interior features a 2+2 seating configuration that is designed with both form and function in mind. The front seats are mounted extremely low and are comfortable yet assertive, while the rear seat folds down flat, creating flexible space. The large center-mounted tachometer is the focus of the three-gauge cluster, keeping the driver informed of the engine’s vitals. Speed is monitored by both digital and analog gauges.
















 

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This third third intro didn't blow me away like the first two...but yeah, too bad we didn't get the headlights, which were a nice touch. That and the 86 piston steering wheel will probably be popular on the aftermarket. The interior looks all right,

Theirs:


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Ewwwww.......ours looks as cheap as a tC on the inside. Couldn't they have spruced it up a little? Pardon me for being so picky but this car should look like it costs 5000 or so bucks more than the tC if that's what they want for it.
 

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That Pioneer head unit with all the cheap plastic in its glory looks laughably bad. No auto climate control in the FR-S and those replacement plastic dials don't help much.
 

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Forgot to mention, all the Scion badges look like they can easily be replaced.

Ewwwww.......ours looks as cheap as a tC on the inside. Couldn't they have spruced it up a little? Pardon me for being so picky but this car should look like it costs 5000 or so bucks more than the tC if that's what they want for it.
That Yen is too strong. :facepalm:
 

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2013 Scion FR-S Revealed as America's Toyota GT 86



A day after the debut of the Toyota GT 86 and the Subaru BRZ at the Tokyo Motor Show, the third version of the shared sports coupe has been revealed at a private event in Hollywood, CA. Sold under the Scion brand in North America, the car will wear the FR-S badge.

“Tonight will go down in history as the night Scion brought the sport back to the car,” said brand boss Jack Hollis at the car’s reveal. Like its siblings, the FR-S is powered by a direct-injection boxer 4-cylinder with a 12.5:1 compression ratio making 200-hp and 151 lb-ft of torque. Using the compact boxer engine the car now only delivers an excellent center of gravity (billed to be the best in the world), it also offers a 53:47 front-to-rear weight distribution. A 6-speed manual transmission and limited slip differential will be standard, while a 6-speed automatic with paddle shifters will be optional.

Answering those who have questioned why the car will be branded as a Scion in North America, Hollis commented that, “The FR-S… with its style, performance, authenticity, originality … fits perfectly with what Scion is all about! Passion for your car!”

Commenting that the FR-S gets its inspiration from the 2000GT, the Sports 800 and the Corolla GT-S, Hollis explains further. “The definition of the word Scion… as you already know… means to be a descendant of… or an heir to. Well… the FR-S is an excellent example of that definition. The heritage and DNA of these performance cars you see here tonight trickles down into every ounce of the FR-S…just one of the benefits of being from such a great family. ”

As with all Scions, customization will be a key feature with the FR-S, with seven different paint choices, including Firestorm red. pricing has yet to be announced but the FR-S will hit Scion dealers next Spring.
See all the photos at AutoGuide.com
 
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