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I long ago :nofu: to the state of California, which is why I haven't purchased any firearms in many, many years. I absolutely refuse to jump through their bullshit hoops, all the while dumping money into state coffers via all the fees associated with firearms purchases, licensing, etc. As for ammo, I'm well stocked as it is, and any ammo I need I will buy in Nevada or Arizona and bring back here. If I can do it for toilets illegal in California, I can do it for ammo. The radical leftist state legislature plays their games, and I play mine.

Unfortunately, as I mentioned in another thread, I'm locked into living here while my siblings and I take care of my elderly mom and dad because we refuse to ever place them in any kind of home or assisted care facility. One day I will be free, and I will be free the moment I get out of this fucked up state.

- from what i've been told they just swipe your driver's licence
- the check is 'instant'
- then off you go with ammo





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No special permit available... even the "free state" 1.6 gph "Jerry Brown" toilets (which still suck) are no longer legal to sell or install in CA.
- have you tried the new CA 1.28 gallon toilets yet?
- im doing an addition with bathroom
- im concerened about the new CA flush
- will it clear a larger than average log with toilet paper in one flush like the 1.6 did?








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Does this mean you have to turn in any other guns, or are you allowed to keep them (just locked away until you're off probation, or given to a legal relative)

- CA has the legal right to confiscate guns from criminals
- or people that are 'red flag' (acting erratic)
- so if you are convicted, yes you must turn in weapons or have them removed
- the law does make sense when you think about it











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Felony? You're screwed... possibly even before trial.
Being under indictment for a felony makes you federally prohibited. You must immediately either (and often the judge can place limitations) sell, transfer to an FFL, or turn over to the police for destruction. If you turn them over to the police, they are supposed to retain them until the completion of the trial, and your appeals process if convicted.

If you are convicted of a felony or prohibiting misdemeanor, same thing applies. You are prohibited from even possessing a single bullet, magazine, or other "accessories" including reloading supplies.
The minutiae may not apply to Federal law, but as a convicted felon you are under a lifetime prohibition in all 50 states, except under certain conditions that allow for a clearing of the conviction.
To qualify for being cleared, conditions that apply include:
1 - The offense must be a "wobbler".... may be charged as a felony or misdemeanor, depending on what section of the law the charges are filed under
2 - The convicted must have served no prison time
3 - Satisfactory completion of probation
4 - The convicted petitions the court and is granted a reduction in charges from felony to misdemeanor
5 - The convicted person then petitions the court and is granted expungement of the conviction


Step 4 is extremely important, and is the one most often overlooked. Simple expungement of a felony conviction does not restore firearms rights at the federal level. The charges must be reduced to a misdemeanor and logged into the system as such prior to expungement. Some believe that the last step is optional and has no bearing on restoration of firearms rights, but if you are spending the bucks on an attorney for the charge reduction, the expungement is very little added cost and will most likely be granted. That allows you to state that you have not been convicted of a crime on job and financial applications and forms.


This is all Federal. The only thing that California adds is the list of prohibiting misdemeanors. They are treated the same way as felonies by California. IF the judge allows you to sell/transfer via private party, you may do so, but being prohibited, you can not execute the transfer personally... your attorney would need to do it for you. If the buyer/transferee were to fail background, they could not be transferred back to you (or your attorney) so the FFL would be required to surrender them to the PD for destruction.
In a free state, you don't need to use an FFL to transfer most guns, so you would be able to (most likely) give them to a friend or relative, so long as the judge is satisfied that you would have no access.



- seems fair to me
- if you are a bad-boy then you don't get guns or ammo
- i never had ANY misdemeanors or felonys... it's easy, obey the law

- 99% of criminals are repeat offender dum-dums
- nip it in the bud early









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- from what i've been told they just swipe your driver's licence
- the check is 'instant'
- then off you go with ammo
There is a fee that you must pay.
Details beyond that, even the dealers don't have full info on how they are going to do business tomorrow morning.
Then there's the ID issue... DOJ issued "emergency regulations" requiring RealID to buy ammo. I have a friend who is an immigrant... brought here from England when he was a child. He served in the army in Bosnia. He has tried to apply for citizenship, they tell him that he's already a citizen. Another agency tells him that he is not. He had spent the last 15 years trying to get everything straightened out, but ultimately, he can not obtain a passport, US birth certificate, or naturalization documents required to get the RealID.
I still have a year left on my original DL... it's not "RealID" but it also does not say "Federal Limits Apply".


BATFE is OK with either for gun purchases.
 

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- CA has the legal right to confiscate guns from criminals
- or people that are 'red flag' (acting erratic)
- so if you are convicted, yes you must turn in weapons or have them removed
- the law does make sense when you think about it
- seems fair to me
- if you are a bad-boy then you don't get guns or ammo
- i never had ANY misdemeanors or felonys... it's easy, obey the law
- 99% of criminals are repeat offender dum-dums
- nip it in the bud early
There are several problems:
1 - "Red Flag" laws are unconstitutional. We have the right to due process. Your neighbor (who has an irrational hate for guns and Trump, and by extension, an irrational hatred for YOU) can make a false claim that flags you under Red Flag laws.
California blocked a measure that would have made a false "red flag" report a crime.

2 - As I mentioned above, there are a TON of laws in California, primarily related to firearms, that will make you a felon simply by crossing an imaginary line in the desert. You live in Arizona and want to go shooting with your friend in CA. You bring your Glock 19. You legally own a suppressor, so your Glock has a threaded barrel. You are a 100% law abiding citizen with no criminal history.
The moment you cross into California with your Glock, you are guilty of Felony importation and possession of an assault weapon... simply because your semiautomatic handgun has a threaded barrel.
No other crime.
You harmed no other person.
You damaged no property
You stole nothing.
You simply crossed into California with a lawfully owned firearm.... but now, because a cop was at the range when you were shooting with your friend, you face a huge fine, legal bills, and are a convicted felon, no guns for you, anywhere, ever, for life.

3 - Criminals, by definition, break the law. They don't care about California, or Federal laws. They WILL obtain guns, and they WILL obtain ammo... in California, or Arizona, or wherever they want.
NOT ONE SINGLE GUN LAW HAS EVER PREVENTED ONE SINGLE CRIME
Quite the opposite... "gun free zones" have created areas of opportunity for criminals.
Where do mass shootings take place? The vast majority are in schools, which are Federally "gun free zones"
2nd is the workplace... most of which have corporate "no guns" policies.
Theaters, likewise, "gun free zones"... while not the case in California, many free states do allow for criminal enforcement of private-property "gun free" areas, so the theater in Colorado that Holms shot up was devoid of anyone legally carrying defensively.

If you could press a button and immediately erase every firearm from the planet, criminals would still find a way to harm and kill other people. England banned guns, now they have a problem with "knife violence" and are moving to ban knives.

In the US, gun laws are racist.
They were written to disarm the Black Panthers and other civil rights groups. They were supported by the KKK to keep Blacks defenseless.
 

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- have you tried the new CA 1.28 gallon toilets yet?
- im doing an addition with bathroom
- im concerened about the new CA flush
- will it clear a larger than average log with toilet paper in one flush like the 1.6 did?
Drive to Arizona or Nevada and bring back a real toilet/s. :)
 

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[Cb91710;14072326]There is a fee that you must pay.
Details beyond that, even the dealers don't have full info on how they are going to do business tomorrow morning.


BATFE is OK with either for gun purchases.[/QUOTE]


From what I found, the fee is 1 buck, and it applies to shot gun shells as well.
 

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From what I found, the fee is 1 buck, and it applies to shot gun shells as well.
Also included in that law... the part that has been in effect since the beginning of 2018...
No personal transfers of more than 500 rounds per month.
I can not legally sell a single box of Winchester 555.

The original law was written to prohibit ANY purchase of more than 500 rounds per month, AND you had to have a matching caliber in AFS, meaning that most owners of long guns purchased prior to 2014 would not be able to buy ammo for them.
Thankfully, those provisions were removed from the final bill.
 

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Except for the illegal aliens .
These dem debates are outrageous. They need to put that much effort into helping our vets but since they're obsessed with illegals they need to run for office in Mexico! Every freakin one of them raised their hands when asked if their plans would help illegals and the audience cheered their own deaths and children's deaths that could result from it.

We're *$22T* in the hole and we can't get out of it by punishing productive American workers to pay for the entire world's health care and welfare.
:facepalm:


Now back to gun porn....

Office gun with webcam controlled by smartphone.




For shooting a lot of workers that are texting or sleeping where apparently the high cap mag is much needed. :D
 

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- oh yeah, forgot about the fee.. lol!
- oh we'll we'll see how it goes after tommorow
- post up your expereince if you buy some before I do...
I stocked up well in advance. It's going to be some time before I need more.
I do have an 03FFL and COE, so I can still legally buy out of state and bring it home.
My future ammo purchases will probably be synchronized with trips to visit mom.
I'm not giving this state one dime in taxes or fees I'm not forced to give them.
 

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There are several problems:
1 - "Red Flag" laws are unconstitutional. We have the right to due process. Your neighbor (who has an irrational hate for guns and Trump, and by extension, an irrational hatred for YOU) can make a false claim that flags you under Red Flag laws.
California blocked a measure that would have made a false "red flag" report a crime.

2 - As I mentioned above, there are a TON of laws in California, primarily related to firearms, that will make you a felon simply by crossing an imaginary line in the desert. You live in Arizona and want to go shooting with your friend in CA. You bring your Glock 19. You legally own a suppressor, so your Glock has a threaded barrel. You are a 100% law abiding citizen with no criminal history.
The moment you cross into California with your Glock, you are guilty of Felony importation and possession of an assault weapon... simply because your semiautomatic handgun has a threaded barrel.
No other crime.
You harmed no other person.
You damaged no property
You stole nothing.
You simply crossed into California with a lawfully owned firearm.... but now, because a cop was at the range when you were shooting with your friend, you face a huge fine, legal bills, and are a convicted felon, no guns for you, anywhere, ever, for life.

3 - Criminals, by definition, break the law. They don't care about California, or Federal laws. They WILL obtain guns, and they WILL obtain ammo... in California, or Arizona, or wherever they want.
NOT ONE SINGLE GUN LAW HAS EVER PREVENTED ONE SINGLE CRIME
Quite the opposite... "gun free zones" have created areas of opportunity for criminals.
Where do mass shootings take place? The vast majority are in schools, which are Federally "gun free zones"
2nd is the workplace... most of which have corporate "no guns" policies.
Theaters, likewise, "gun free zones"... while not the case in California, many free states do allow for criminal enforcement of private-property "gun free" areas, so the theater in Colorado that Holms shot up was devoid of anyone legally carrying defensively.

If you could press a button and immediately erase every firearm from the planet, criminals would still find a way to harm and kill other people. England banned guns, now they have a problem with "knife violence" and are moving to ban knives.

In the US, gun laws are racist.
They were written to disarm the Black Panthers and other civil rights groups. They were supported by the KKK to keep Blacks defenseless.



1) there's a bit of FUD here.

- the red-flag law IS due process, you (the gun owner who is 'accused') go before a judge and then a judge decides if you are a risk under his interpretation of the law. This IS due-process.

2) Yes. We have LAWS in this country.

- it doesnt matter what state X does or state Y does. This is the united states. Yes united, but still individual states with differing laws.
- weed is legal here people are allowed to grow 99 plants per person, per household here -- that is a felony in other states
- there is no vehicle saftey inspection here, this is a misdameanor in other states

- laws are laws, those 'imaginary lines' are called state borders. Each state has it's own laws. obey, or yes you ARE a criminal.
- I can't go to Virginia and start growing pot and say "but I'm from cali man! it's legal there!"
- the law of the land is the law of the land. follow it.

3) I agree criminals won't obey gun laws, however:

- gun laws are meant to restrict and control firearm usage from law-abiding citizens
- I do not see a problem with this:

- speed limits, blood alchol levels, 99 weed plants per person, no more than 15 items in the express lane....
- we can't just 'do what we want' and yell 'freedom' -- theres LIMITS PLACED on how fast we drive, how much we can drink and then drive, when are where and how we can build structures, etc...etc.. etc.. these laws are all for the 'good guys' to follow...

if we DON'T have these laws for 'the good guys' you -- ironically -- create a HIPPIE-COMMUNE NIGHTMARE...

in the past finances limited gun ownership - only the wealthy could afford handguns, today they are cheap, so control is needed..

once CA starts microstamping pistols the prices will quadrouple... is Key'Shawn and De'Markus in the hood really going to drop $2,000 for a Glock?

price 'em out.. street criminals generally don't have alot of startup cash... remember the old bans on 'saturday night specials'.. same idea..




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I stocked up well in advance. It's going to be some time before I need more.
I do have an 03FFL and COE, so I can still legally buy out of state and bring it home.
My future ammo purchases will probably be synchronized with trips to visit mom.
I'm not giving this state one dime in taxes or fees I'm not forced to give them.

.. but we get so much nice sunshine here...













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Pricing people out of the market is unconstitutional and immoral imho. I say again a shooter's course should be taught to every student right after American Government class and a surplus 1911 issued with every high school diploma.
 

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Now back to gun porn....

Office gun with webcam controlled by smartphone.

And it's own travesty regarding that picture is how many places in the U.S. today it would either be illegal to do that, or else companies would not permit it out of fear of a lawsuit for someone "traumatized" by having a "weapon" pointed at them. Oh, the humanity!

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Pricing people out of the market is unconstitutional and immoral imho. I say again a shooter's course should be taught to every student right after American Government class and a surplus 1911 issued with every high school diploma.
And it certainly didn't work for the "saturday night specials"... surprisingly, only a few of the cheapest guns available failed to make the roster qualifications when CA implemented it.
HighPoint? Ya... Any "homie" can cough up $150 for a 9mm... or $50 for one on the black market which is where they'll buy it anyways since they can't pass the existing background checks.
 

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Pricing people out of the market is unconstitutional and immoral imho. I say again a shooter's course should be taught to every student right after American Government class and a surplus 1911 issued with every high school diploma.

- pricing people out of the market is capitalism .. ie what makes USA #1 and not a communist (the opposite of capitalism) wasteland
- pricing people out is why riff-raff don't live in your neighborhoods, go to your schools, or shop at your stores
- in all reality the constitution says nothing about pricing people out..lol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States)







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