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Why did you choose Toyota over Honda?
I should have posted this question here instead of the other Sienna forum for 2010.. just thinking about a new car.. I don't have any young kids, I am retired (Disabled.. but need no special equipment). and have a wife.. I enjoyed a custom conversion van many years ago (1977 Dodge with V8, fridege, bar, sofa, etc..) but I want good gas mileage and dependable..

our old Corolla is very old.. and ready to scrap..

thanx..

and yes, I agree all the new cars are way too expensive, thye people who price these are crooks..
 

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I picked the Toyota because the Honda will be changing design next year, possibly the year after. Price was a small factor also. 28,599 V6

New design, 2011 in 2010, size, engine, 6 speed trans, std options, second row seats slide. Seemed to me to be a bit higher off the ground, I don't know if it is, but it felt that way stepping out.

Honda has a few rumoured engine issues, although denied by Honda, not sure, but enough to make me wonder.

Hopefully it will be dependable, cause I hate going to the dealership....

Good luck on your decision....
 

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I picked the Toyota because the Honda will be changing design next year, possibly the year after. Price was a small factor also. 28,599 V6 New design, 2011 in 2010.

That was my reason as well. I knew Honda is going with the new body style next year which I didn't like anyway. I picked up the SE for its sporty looks. I wanted the Odyssey Touring but with the price difference I can add the navigation and the rear entertainment for cheaper.
 

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That was my reason as well. I knew Honda is going with the new body style next year which I didn't like anyway. I picked up the SE for its sporty looks. I wanted the Odyssey Touring but with the price difference I can add the navigation and the rear entertainment for cheaper.
+1 Same here. The SE was the perfect model for us. Love the sport styling and handling. The new 2011 Honda Odd. was just plain ugly IMHO. It looked like it was pieced together from people in separate companies and the body panels just didn't flow well. They also decided to stay with the sliding door channel in the body panel instead of under the window. That was a patented design pioneered by Chrysler 15 years ago. Why would any company go back to that old style look. We test drove the 2010 Honda and liked the performance of the SE much better.
 

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We had a 2006 Honda Odyssey EXL with RES and Nav that we bought new. We look at the Toyota and the Chrysler at the time, and while both vans were quieter we just liked the looks and handling of the Honda better, The front end of the previous van was very generic, and had no style at all.

We liked our van, but we did have some issues with the RES (DVD) and Navi early on, after those issues were handled the van was pretty good. Replaced the tires at 45,000 at 50,000 miles we replaced the front brakes and a broken rear shock. The van was noisy, but reliable. Right before we traded it it needed to have the passenger side sliding door adjusted since it was rattling.

This time we were looking and we looked at the 2010 Honda and the 2011 Sienna. I told my wife that Honda had a new van and we anxiously awaited the 2011 Odyssey. When we saw the pictures of the new van we did not like what we saw. My wife decided then it would be between the 2010 Ody and the 2011 Sienna.

We both liked the look of the new Sienna, and after we drove it we knew we that was what we would be buying. We bought an XLE with Premium Package and Rear Entertainment / Navigation. We love the smart key, and all the hi tech features such as Bluetooth and Bluetooth streaming.

I only wish that they offered a darker interior in a van, we wanted Navi and DVD and could only choose between light gray and light beige.
 

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we looked at both and got a Sienna yesterday. the new Honda's (and the new Qwest's for that matter) are not out, and quite honestly, we didn't want to wait months for it. we liked the new look of the Sienna and I think its a significant update because when you see 100s of Sienna's every day here in LA (there are ALOT of them), the 2011 does stand out.

my wife loves it.
 

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Haven't looked at the Quest but have on the Honda. Have you seen the Odyssey? It almost looks like the first generation Odyssey. I have to give Honda credit on the dash layout. It is alot user friendly than the Sienna and well thought out. Also, the Sienna looks like it has more headroom in the rear. Looks like the Odyssey is going for the sportier route and Sienna for the smarter path. Only if you can put a Sienna body with the Odyssey interior...
 

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Haven't looked at the Quest but have on the Honda. Have you seen the Odyssey? It almost looks like the first generation Odyssey. I have to give Honda credit on the dash layout. It is alot user friendly than the Sienna and well thought out. Also, the Sienna looks like it has more headroom in the rear. Looks like the Odyssey is going for the sportier route and Sienna for the smarter path. Only if you can put a Sienna body with the Odyssey interior...
From an exterior perspective I don't know how much sportier you can go on a minivan than the SE. I can't speak for the other trim lines but on our SE the dash is very simple and well laid out. Engine and drive train are powerful and smooth. A couple of design elements that I really like are the hidden sliding door track and hidden rear windshield wiper under the rear spoiler.

I would agree that Honda has taken a step back on the exterior design. The sliding door track stands out like a soar thumb. The rest sort of looks like a large jigsaw puzzle that different teams put together. IMHO...
 

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Sienna was the only AWD van available when I purchased aside from the GM full-size vans. The 2011 Oddity won't offer AWD either.
 

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Sienna was the only AWD van available when I purchased aside from the GM full-size vans. The 2011 Oddity won't offer AWD either.
+1

AWD is the lazy -- and expensive -- way out if you don't like swapping winter tires. The run-flats suck (make rid a bit stiffer, expensive in the $200-280 range each, and cannot limp for very far (about 20 miles for me) if you are out in the wilderness and get a puncture). But there are probably twice as many Oddy's than Siennas in our neighborhood, and definitely no '11 Siennas yet, so we got the Ltd AWD. ;)
Oh, and the Sienna V6 is a good bit faster 0-60 too. The transmission definitely is very willing to downshift for safe highway merging or passing maneuver.
 

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2011 Sienna vs Odyssey comparison

Honda's training program on the new Odyssey is very good and focuses on the Sienna and Town and Country as the main (only real) competitors. The T&C is clearly outclassed, and the upcoming Quest is still an unknown.

Which leaves us with the Sienna and the Odyssey. We were pretty psyched about the Odyssey. We carefully studied all the pros and cons of these two, and are amazed at how similar they really are.

In our opinion, in no particular order:

Odyssey strengths:

mpg

double decker storage bins in the front doors

center seat of middle row is wider and does more tricks.

Middle row wide mode that allows three car seats is neat. What is the purpose of narrow mode? Why not just make the middle seat two inches wider and leave it in wide mode all the time? BTW, you can't remove the center seat and slide the right seat flush with the left seat anymore.

third row legroom about an inch more than Sienna

USB holder in the glove box is neat unless you have a device you want access to, which then makes this feature a negative since the plug is also hidden in the glove box. However, only EXL and above have USB, whereas Toyota has it on the LE.

Driving dynamics still have that intangible Honda edge, though the Sienna has certainly moved much closer. Though quieter than the 2010, Sienna is quieter still.

The cool box is cool.

Better grade logic, offset by Sienna's +/- gear shift that lets you manually pick whatever gear you want. I haven't driven the Sienna in the hills yet, so I don't know for sure if its grade logic is sloppy like our Venza or precise like our Tundra, which matches Honda's grade logic while shifting even smoother.

Windows roll down with the remote, offset by Sienna's all 4 auto up-down and superior a/c performance. Given a choice between the two in this respect, we'll take the superior Toyota a/c.

Power doors operate in Drive if you have your foot on the brake and speed is less than 1 mph.

Auto a/c EX and above. Sienna only has manual tri-zone in the LE, auto in higher trims.

Some under floor storage space around the spare tire.

Trip computer auto resets with gas fill up.

Hard drive audio system EX and above.

Middle row seats are lighter if you do remove them, which is more likely in the Ody since the Sienna's middle row slide flexibility means you are less likely to need to remove the seats at all.

Ambient area lighting at night.


Sienna strengths

Better looking exterior; hidden door track and rear wiper.

More storage space in the sliding doors.

Stronger engine and 6-speed on all models, but at the expense of gas mileage.

Third row about 1.5" wider. Honda claims the exposed lower door track is for added third row width, yet the Sienna third row is still wider.

Third row windows vent open.

The driver can see out the right rear window; in the Odyssey the right center headrest blocks the view out the right rear. One of the magazine reviews mentioned this, and I confirmed it today.

Dead pedal and driver overall legroom is superior. The 2010 Ody also has a more comfortable dead pedal than the 2011 Ody, at least for me.

Auto up-down all four windows, not just the front two.

Bluetooth with streaming audio and USB in the LE MSRP 30K. Streaming audio in the Odyssey requires $37K EXL+NAV (meaning $37K EXL+RES doesn't have stremaing audio either) or the Touring. You can get Bluetooth and USB (but no streaming) in the Ody in the EXL for $35K, still a $5K premium over the LE.

Trip computer gives exact instantaneous readout, not just a bar graph.

Much wider access to the third row. Similarly, middle row goes much farther back allowing larger items to be loaded flat on the floor behind the front seats without removing the middle row.

USB access is exposed instead of hidden in the glove box.

Front center console storage and cupholders are lit, similar to the Venza.


Honda is spending a lot of time focusing on the top end models and the advantages of Honda's nav system, etc. These are all good points. For us mere mortals, however, who don't have $40K to drop on a minivan, the fundamentals in the $30K range are what is going to make or break the sale. According to Honda, 40% of Odyssey shoppers cross-shop the Sienna, which is exactly what we did.

We would love to have the 2011 Odyssey's 27 mpg (because we would be buying the EX or EXL) and Honda driving feel. But in this day and age Bluetooth is a must; USB and streaming audio are a nice bonus. We also happen to prefer cloth. If Honda made an EX with Bluetooth, we'd be sold. $3,500 extra for the EXL to get Bluetooth without streaming is a big stretch. The moonroof, power tailgate, and power passenger seat are nice, but not mandatory, and we personally don't like leather in sunny AZ. As an aside, EXL and above have a rear-view camera, which Toyota includes at a much lower price point in the LE.

The Sienna LE has Bluetooth, streaming audio, USB, tri-zone a/c (though manual), and much easier third row access and cargo flexibility either in front of or behind the middle row because of the long-slide feature. Aftermarket Bluetooth in the Ody EX still won't match the factory system from Toyota, and would make the net cost of the EX even higher compared to the LE.

With all things considered, we decided to go with the Sienna LE. It was a close call, and we know that anyone who buys the Odyssey will have an excellent vehicle with the best mileage in its class. But they will also be paying quite a few $$ more buying higher trim levels to get the same features Toyota includes at a much lower price. Even if you overlook the Sienna's extra features that are not available on Honda, comparable trim levels in the mid-range class are still 1-2K less expensive with Sienna.

A final example: Sienna LE has third row sun shades. Odyssey has those too, but only in the Touring for $10K more. No one is going to spend $10K just to get sunshades, but it is amusing that something so basic is only included on the two most expensive models.

Thanks for reading this far. At one time we had three Hondas in our family all at the same time. Now we will have three Toyotas and no Hondas. Coincidentally all three of those Toyotas have cloth interiors and Bluetooth; the Honda variant of each would be a more expensive model with at least leather and in most cases navi. Hopefully in a few more years Honda will join the rest of the automotive crowd and include more features in lower trim levels without leather/nav/res bundles. We look forward to rejoining the Honda family when that happens.
 

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local honda dealer down the street just got the new odyssey in... going to go check it out during "lunch" :D i'll post cell pix when i get back. ;)
 

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picture #3 kinda makes it look like a hearse from that angle.. its that large, chunky section in the rear between the rear quarter window and the rear hatch.. the front end reminds me of a Ford Windstar
 

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picture #3 kinda makes it look like a hearse from that angle.. its that large, chunky section in the rear between the rear quarter window and the rear hatch.. the front end reminds me of a Ford Windstar

:lol::lol: exactly what i was thinking when i was standing next to it... especially since it was black.
 

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thanks for stepping into enemy line:D

back from "lunch".. :D

first off, i just want to say I AM SO GLAD I DIDN'T WAIT FOR THE ODYSSEY. ;)
excuse me while I go throw up.:eek::facepalm:

concept picture was bad enough-fortunately, I was never in the market for the oddy
 

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I was determined to order an 2011 odyssey but when I saw that the second row " captain's chairs" do not have arm rests on the inside if the small jump seat is removed that was the deal killer. I have owned 5 Hondas and never a Toyota but that was the difference. Picking up our new 2011 Sienna Limited tomorrow.:D
 

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Similarly, middle row goes much farther back allowing larger items to be loaded flat on the floor behind the front seats without removing the middle row.
We have 2 teenage boys and this was the reason why we purchased a Sienna over the new Odyssey. Once they've seen how the middle seats can be pushed back right up against the third row seats giving them limo like leg space, they didn't even want to know anything more about the Honda. With the Honda, the leg room is good 8 inches less.
 

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We too were dead set on a honda as we have owned 3 Odysseys before. We test drove the Odyssey and it seemed loud. We then drove the Sienna and it was as quiet as our Suburban. The second row leg room was huge and it was a just a lot more comfortable van. Plus the leather actually felt like leather over Honda's typical vinyl leather.

Deciding factor was the quietness of the ride...
 
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