Here is another graphic that shows how pathetic Toyota situation is
2021 EV market share was 8.3%.I more or less 100% disagree with the OP's statements. EVs as a percentage of new car sales are still a fraction of overall sales. Less than 10%. And the technology is still halfbaked and not ready for prime time. Toyota is sacrificing very very little by instead pushing hybrids (which have a bigger positive impact on CO2 reduction compared to EVs [thanks to higher adoption and lower cost]) and developing/waiting for solid state battery tech to mature.
And both of your charts are misleading if you don't show what percentage EVs are compared to ICEs. A 200% increase of a tiny market share is still a small number. But it can look convincing, and alarming, on a chart lacking perspective.
The Chinese EV industry is being fostered/pushed by the CCP. The Continental car makers are more or less being forced into EV adoption by EU political pressure. US ones less so, mostly pushes by the stock market and left side of the government. It would appear that Japan is the only region where automakers are more freely able to make their business decisions in the real world, rather than a fantasy one.
You're right about US market. But don't forget that US represents only 11% of the global auto market.And yet most of the low hanging fruit has already been plucked. Once all the early adopters, Greenies, rich people wanting the latest tech and people that buy EVs because of government giveaway money have bought their cars, adoption of the general public will slow down. I'm not saying market share won't continue to increase (government regulations have all but made that a certainty). I know very few (if any) people that are interested in paying premiums for EVs (over conventional vehicles).
But a lot of people are waiting for the technology to sell itself, as a superior choice over an ICE vehicle, and we're not there yet. In fact governmental push even turns some people off. Meanwhile, PHEVs, which Toyota is a leader in, make much much much more sense for all factors involved.
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That is debatable. I lived many years in Europe, and in some aspects, Europeans have much more freedom than Americans. They have real democratic governments, not a two-party "duocracy". They have way more personal freedom regarding what they can do in public. Many behaviors that are perfectly acceptable in Europe will get you arrested in the US.North America (land of the free).
China is doing exactly the same thing that US did in the second half of the 20th century. Meddling in politics of other countries. Overthrowing democratically elected governments in Central and South America because they were "inconvenient" for American companies. Even staring wars on a false, fabricated pretext (remember Gulf of Tonkin?).Most companies shouldn't decide their policies based on communist China
Because Toyota made exactly the same mistake that GM and Ford did when Toyota and Honda brought their compacts to the US. The same mistake that Blackberry and NOKIA did about Apple's iPhone. And many examples more ...Why doesn’t Toyota want to get into the ev game/market or do they have other ideas or plans.
Ask the Norwegians. Norway is cold, they live in apartments, and EV are 80% of new vehicle sales. Somehow they figured it out.So how will EVs work for apartment dwellers and those who rent?
Say you have an apartment that has 100 units, would each unit get their own dedicated charging station? What about homes with no garages? Historic homes? How about people who live in very cold places such as Fairbanks Alaska or Siberia?
Because BYD is well established brand in China, but with little presence elsewhere. On the other hand, Toyota is a valuable global brand, that would give BYD access to all those markets where Toyota is a big player already (US, Europe, Asia, Africa, Middle East, ...). BYD already has tons of money, while Toyota's market capitalization will likely shrink over the next 2-3 years, so BYD will be able to buy a controlling stake in Toyota. Similar to Haier buying General Electric appliances business including the right to use General Electric brand name.So Toyota is going to get into the ev game but too late. Way would byd buy Toyota. Just asking.
While Tesla was visionary, Toyota was stupid. Toyota assumed that 85% of vehicles sold in the US by 2030 will be still powered by a gasoline engine, and that the global share of EVs would be 50% by that date. They are off by at least 4 years. EVs will hit the 50% mark 3 years from now. And Toyota recently announced that they are stopping all development of vehicles based on the e-TNGA platform (derived from gas-powered TNGA), and will now develop an EV-only platform to be able to compete with Tesla. The problems is that the earliest they will be able to start selling vehicles based on this new platform is late 2027 or 2028. By then, they will lose half of the market share to Tesla, VW, Hyundai/KIA. All these manufacturers already have a dedicated EV platform.I'll tell you what scares traditional automakers, that Tesla just reported $24.1 Billion in 4th quarter earnings and $3.7 billion in profit. That makes everyone else both scared and have watering mouths too.
What Tesla has achieved is not something others can do overnight. They build custom machines to makes their auto more efficiently, aimed for a lower volume break-even, have passed that by a long shot and now make nearly $6000 per vehicle profit, 7 times the average of anyone else. Others want that and will chase it to the ends of the earth. Luck all.
Toyota is fine now. They are #1 in sales, make a decent profit and have a competitive product lineup TODAY. The issue is 3-5 years from now. EV adoption is moving faster that expected, and key competitors (Tesla, BYD, Hyundai/KIA, VW, Mercedes) have developed EV-dedicated platforms which are much cheaper and efficient for EVs than Toyota's. Toyota thought that they could compete in a relative small EV market with an e-TNGA platform shared with ICE powered and hybrid vehicles. This would make sense if EV were a small percentage of the market (less than 10%). But EV sales are already higher that 10% (12% in 2022) and growing fast. According to Ford a dedicated EV platform is 40% cheaper to manufacture than an ICE one. And Tesla is working on their next generation EV platform which they claim will cut the cost of EVs in half.Katekebo; Always points n counter-points! Just released today, source: Motor1.com….Toyota has been named, Best Selling Automaker in 2022, with just under 10.5 million units, followed by VWGroup with 8.3 million. These are global sales numbers with supply chain issues, chip shortages and confusion around what to acquire Petrol/ICE, PHEV, BEV, FCEV etc. Should the sky really be falling, currently it would be on top of a-whole bunch of Toyotas!
All voids must be filled agreed, should it become an auto manufacturer other than Toyota, they’ve got a lot of catching-up to accomplish, My Two Cents!
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It's the essence of S-curve in innovation. EVs are the disruptive innovation that is allowing new players to step in and replace old, mature competitors.Kate, with respect I suggest, my Econ Prof would grade your paper quite high on the bell curve. My example of this Manufacturing Void, or laps in business trends etc, circles back to biblical thought; “The first now shall”…you know the rest. The same way I chose my first Honda Civic in the 70’s, new customers will move-on to the newest n most innovative vehicles they can find.
You're looking for "education" in the wrong place. Stop reading conspiracy crackpots and get an engineering or science degree at a university.Read the article.. Educate yourself. Our power grid much less power production cannot support EV fantasies.
Japan has electric infrastructure issues. They shut down their nuclear power plants after Fukushima and still have generation capacity issues. Their distribution infrastructure is also in worse shape than the US. Japanese government has been prioritizing hydrogen as the fuel of the future.Someone posted on Scotty's recent video why Toyota is hesitant with EVs; it does deal with apartments. many Japanese live in apartments near or in the major cities which could make it difficult to set up charging stations to cover every car driving residents living there.