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Well I've had my Taco in snow for about a week now...have had very bad traction with it. I have the '05 Off Road 6 spd 4 cyl Access Cab with the BF Goodrenches or however you spell it...been sliding all over the place. I only have two concrete blocks in the in back (haven't had the chance to get more weight), but boy oh boy do I slide (and spin out if not in 4wheel).

One problem in particular I've noticed is that if I try to come to a stop and start sliding, my ABS kicks in - I hear the noise, I can feel my brakes/tires are locked and then my brake pedal kicks out at me with a louder version of the ABS noise. Almost took out a truck just now in a slushy parking lot - brakes seemed to lock up when I was slowing to a stop. Very close call.

Home Depot around here doesn't sell sand or anything - any ideas?
 

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Any 2wd truck is going to behave like that in snow. It's VERY light in the rear.


I thought the 4-cyl came with a 5-speed manual?
 

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Maybe this is a dumb question, but why not just put in 4WD when there's snow on the ground? I've had mine in the snow plenty of times, and it does slide out when not in 4WD, but it's pretty solid in 4WD, w/ no weight in the back.
 

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Yea the ABS goes bonkers in these trucks on slippery stuff. Makes all kinds of noises during a hard stop on snow or ice. The Pedal vibrates, and it sounds bad, but its normal.

When I had my stock tires on, it didnt take much to get the ABS going on snow. But put snow tires on week ago and got some good hard snow driving in. Now really have to mash the brakes to invoke the ABS. Even during a quick, but not panic stop, the ABS doesnt kick in, and she stops on a dime.

The benefit of ABS is control in hard braking, but in loose snow and slush, it doesnt let the tires "dive" down to stop as fast. Instead the tires 'surf' across the top surface. Same goes in loose dirt...

Surprised no sand at the Depot, I'm sure there are other Harware stores that carry it.
 

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rocket21 said:
Home Depot around here doesn't sell sand or anything - any ideas?
Yeah, tell Home Depot they're stupid for not carrying "extra weight" in the winter months. Especially in MASS!!!!!!!!


No, but seriously, trucks are not really good in snow unless they are in 4WD.

When I lived in OH I always had a cheap set of wheels and some really good snow tires for the winter. They made a hell of a difference.

If you can afford it, I would go for the snow tires if you can. Remember that as you add weight, you are increasing the inertia of the truck, thus making is harder to stop. This is balanced out sometimes by increased traction, but can be extremely detrimental in emergency situations.

My advice is to use 4WD. If that doesn't do you well enough, get some good (narrow) snow tires, and as a last resort add weight. I used to use rock salt as it doubled for emergency ice melter when needed. Hell, just don't shovel the snow out of your bed.

Just my 2 cents....
 

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The two reasons I'm not in 4WD all the time with it is a) the snow/slush is inconsistant on the backroads I take-don't want cause any problems with running it on dry roads and b) crappy mileage.

I live a few exits up from you, just west of Exit 26/Greenfield.

I'll probably break down and get some snow tires, I just hate to buy new tires for a new truck - half the reasoning in buying new was so that I wouldn't have any additional expenditures. Ah well.

Our Home Depot is missing a few things that would come in handy - sand, ceiling tiles, etc.

Good to hear the ABS thing isn't abnormal...gotta get used to driving something that doesn't handle as well as a Jeep in winter.
 

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Rocket- check with your local DPW. I know West Springfield and Springfield both have on there lots piles of sand that is mixed with salt(much better than regular sand). You can just pull up and fill up any amount of buckets, I just did it yesterday actually, free.
 
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Go out and bite the bullet and buy some Bridgestone Dueler AT Revo's. Sounds like you have the BF Goodrich Rugged or Long Trail tires and IMO they are kind of junk tires. Good mfg but not a fan of those two lines they make. Just a mid road quality tire for our area with snow anwyay.

I live just North of you over the line in NH so I have had the same weather recently as you and the Revo's I put on( had the Dunlop Grandtrek AT20 tires which are worse then your BFG's )have been GREAT! :whatwhat: No need for 4WD in the snow at all. The truck goes through it with these tires like it is already in 4WD! The only time I have used 4WD since I bought this truck is when pulling my boat out of the back 40 at the farm I keep it at. Kind of muddy recently and I do it more to keep from slipping around then because I need traction to go. Just helps me keep straight more consistant on the corners and such.

Cost me $530 for 4 245/16 Revo's M&B'd out the door. I was unlucky enough to purchase them at a time when Bridgestone was not offering any rebate. When I got them for my Ram last April I got $75 off in rebate and then back here in Sept-Oct they had $100 off. IF you buy during a rebate period you save a ton.

Check around locally and you can probably find a good deal on a set of 4. If you can't find them for under $550 give me a shout and I will check up here. No tax up here either. IMO you won't find a better tire for our area. You can run them all year and easily get 50-60K + out of them with proper care. There just aren't any other AT, and not winter/snow specific, tires out there(IMO)that handle the snow like these Revo's do. Maybe the BFG AT TA/KO as a distant second. The Revo's are great tires :thumbup:

I did hit a patch of ice( right as I was pulling in to park with a big brick wall in front of me = YIKES! )and the ABS squealed like a pig. Hate that vibration noise it makes BUT liked no hitting the wall ;).
 

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Squeal like a pig! Thanks for the tire information, I did some sliding up your way actually, did a nice slide down the side of 16 in Ossipee during the storm.

I'm hesitant to use the free town sand because of the salt mixture - I don't want to see my bed get gradually eaten away as a result. Was talking to someone who had this happen when their container ripped open - just a little got out and eventually at through the bottom.

Gotta find someone around here who has the special part for putting on tires so that it doesn't throw things off too much.
 

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so your saying that the BFG rugged trils suck in the snow? I was thinking they would be pretty good. If i get this house were in contract on I will be stuck with the BFGs then ! :ugh3:
 

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They're not that bad...they're just not as good as Revos.

But look at it this way, probably, most of your driving will be on the road/highway, with occasional ventures into snow/off-road. Perfect for the Rugged Trail tires.

What you feel these tires lack, you can look for in your next set of tires.

If you get 50 or 60K miles of wear out of the tires, I think that's pretty good.
 

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They're not that bad...they're just not as good as Revos.

But look at it this way, probably, most of your driving will be on the road/highway, with occasional ventures into snow/off-road. Perfect for the Rugged Trail tires.

What you feel these tires lack, you can look for in your next set of tires.

If you get 50 or 60K miles of wear out of the tires, I think that's pretty good.
You guys should check out www.mycarstats.com or do google search on "toyota tacoma complaints" and go to the site and look at the formal toyota filed complaints on firestone/bridgestone tires that are coming on new taco's. Can't remeber if it's the Revo's but definitely some tire issue splitting and bulges for taco tires.

I never had antilocks on my toyota truck until the 05 model and came with the rugged trail BF's which rode comfortable but the tread depth on a new rugged trail tire new was the same depth as any other tire brand I owned after 25,000 miles (real shallow). They were not good on the snow and replace the rugged trails with michelin LTX mud/snow rated tires and they work pretty good on snow and packed snow/ice compared to the rugged trail but michelen LTX sucks as far as ride comfort. After leaving tire shop, the ride harsh as hell and thought had to much air in them but they just ride hard which is a surprise since the tread looks like a street tread. My worn out rugged trails with 45,000 miles rode more comfy that the new michelin ltx M/S tire. Not sure how their rated as a MS (mud) tire because doesn't look like a mud tread at all.

Better hope you don't do a walking speed rear end into someone (girl) who slams on their brakes in packed snow & full panic stop 40 yds from the stop sign & noone in front of them cause they applied to much brake and back end wiggled so she just did panic stop and by time I realized she was stopping was too late and hit this jeep junior SUV (cursing for 5 seconds till I hit her). The taco front bumper was simply plastic with nothing behind it at all except for appx foot back an aluminum bar. This means the bumper has no shock absorbtion at all and caused damage to bumper, headlight, hood, grill. I could have ran into a person and the person would have had no damage, jumped up and cursed me out and went about their business. The damage to SUV I hit was a scratch on the bumper. Cost me $4,000 damage to my truck alone. I haven't been in a wreck for 19 years and 550,000 miles before that. Once I found out how crappy my 05 bumper was I put a center bull bar on that came up to top 3/4 of grill so if it happens again I'd be out $300 and incur less damage.

I also found that since I never had antilocks on my taco before, I didn't push real hard on the brakes since the antilocks were kicking in and I was sliding, but found later testing on snow/ice in parking lot that if you push on the brakes harder, it does appear to try to stop sooner just vibrates more.

Good luck putting chains on the 05-07 tacoma, won't happen with the bigger tires 265/70/16.
 

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if you're looking for weight to settle down the rear end, get yourself two concrete walkway/patio blocks and stack them over the rear axle. Frame them in with some 1x4s so they are sliding all over the place and your done. You won't need anymore weight than that for a 4x4, plus it is easy to remove if the need arises... takes up less space than sand bags.

I've been running this setup for about 12 winters now and it is fantastic. $20max for blocks, 1x4s and a coffee.
 

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Why do you keep resurecting year old threads barmour. That person doesn't even post here anymore...same as NH05TACOMA. *post reported*
 

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Why do you keep resurecting year old threads barmour. That person doesn't even post here anymore...same as NH05TACOMA. *post reported*
Hahaha... I didn't even notice:banana:. Guess I'll be checking any of those posts by barmour. Hahaha.. sorry.
 
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