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Good day everyone. I know they have addressed the 4 cylinder models for the Camry, TSB 0330-17, but I am noticing the same complaints as the I-4 guys are having with my XSE v6. It is the ONLY thing that bugs me about my car, the transmission doesn't know what day it is half the time. I don't like letting off the gas in city driving because sometimes it will downshift harshly, then when I reappply it will be sporadic and harsh as well! The most annoying thing about the behavior of this tranny is the LAG when you need to get going! It is borderline dangerous. If I am going 30, 50, 70, doesn't matter; I put the throttle down half way or more, it literally takes what feels like 2 seconds to figure itself out before it picks a damn gear, THEN gets going.

Is there anyone who has brought in their v6 to the dealer and had the ECU/PCM reflashed? Is there a newer version of this software available for the v6 yet? I tried doing a search, all I get is the I-4 threads.

Thank you so much.. :x
 

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Good day everyone. I know they have addressed the 4 cylinder models for the Camry, TSB 0330-17, but I am noticing the same complaints as the I-4 guys are having with my XSE v6. It is the ONLY thing that bugs me about my car, the transmission doesn't know what day it is half the time. I don't like letting off the gas in city driving because sometimes it will downshift harshly, then when I reappply it will be sporadic and harsh as well! The most annoying thing about the behavior of this tranny is the LAG when you need to get going! It is borderline dangerous. If I am going 30, 50, 70, doesn't matter; I put the throttle down half way or more, it literally takes what feels like 2 seconds to figure itself out before it picks a damn gear, THEN gets going.

Is there anyone who has brought in their v6 to the dealer and had the ECU/PCM reflashed? Is there a newer version of this software available for the v6 yet? I tried doing a search, all I get is the I-4 threads.

Thank you so much.. :x
"I know they have addressed the 4 cylinder models for the Camry" - the only thing they addressed is slamming in the gear when cold. The 1-2 second lag while it thinks what gear to go in is still there. Same with lurching forward because it downshifts too low. What is happening is you're asking the car to downshift and get moving and the car is fighting back because it wants to stay in higher gear for those EPA numbers. It's protesting your input so you keep pressing the gas more and more and once it gives in, it will go from 6th to 1st or something stupid like that. The worst is when you are approaching a light and don't have to come to full stop. You're rolling 10-15 MPH and it refuses to downshift so when it does, you lurch forward as if you got rear-ended. I once had to get out of the way on a highway ramp and it wouldn't downshift for 2 seconds, same as you're describing. I dodged a truck on the left by half a car's length. All this to say...I4 is the same as yours on the V6; it just doesn't do that slamming in reverse anymore when cold.
 

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Good day everyone. I know they have addressed the 4 cylinder models for the Camry, TSB 0330-17, but I am noticing the same complaints as the I-4 guys are having with my XSE v6. It is the ONLY thing that bugs me about my car, the transmission doesn't know what day it is half the time. I don't like letting off the gas in city driving because sometimes it will downshift harshly, then when I reappply it will be sporadic and harsh as well! The most annoying thing about the behavior of this tranny is the LAG when you need to get going! It is borderline dangerous. If I am going 30, 50, 70, doesn't matter; I put the throttle down half way or more, it literally takes what feels like 2 seconds to figure itself out before it picks a damn gear, THEN gets going.

Is there anyone who has brought in their v6 to the dealer and had the ECU/PCM reflashed? Is there a newer version of this software available for the v6 yet? I tried doing a search, all I get is the I-4 threads.

Thank you so much.. :x
This video
is all about how Toyota is selling LIES about their crappy transmission/programming. As the video states, in the first gear the engine is indirectly coupled to the transmission (classic, hydraulic coupling). But in second and up gears it should be DIRECTLY coupled.

I had a dangerous situation where at 50km/h the car refused to get go at a lane changing in heavy traffic. I almost got rear ended!
As an impulsive reaction, I nervously pumped the f..king gas pedal (just like you would pump a brake pedal). Nothing happens! You pump it, the car coasts!
Now, how is this possible when the engine is supposed to be directly coupled to the transmission (at 50km/s is in third or fourth gear, I guess?)

My bet is that their drive by wire (electric throttle command) is badly managed. There is a lag between the command (at the gas pedal) and actual throttle reaction.
This should be easy to correct at the ECU level. But Toyota does not give any f...ks about it!

EDIT: OR the transmissions spins without actually transferring any rotation to the wheels!
 

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"I know they have addressed the 4 cylinder models for the Camry" - the only thing they addressed is slamming in the gear when cold. The 1-2 second lag while it thinks what gear to go in is still there. Same with lurching forward because it downshifts too low. What is happening is you're asking the car to downshift and get moving and the car is fighting back because it wants to stay in higher gear for those EPA numbers. It's protesting your input so you keep pressing the gas more and more and once it gives in, it will go from 6th to 1st or something stupid like that. The worst is when you are approaching a light and don't have to come to full stop. You're rolling 10-15 MPH and it refuses to downshift so when it does, you lurch forward as if you got rear-ended. I once had to get out of the way on a highway ramp and it wouldn't downshift for 2 seconds, same as you're describing. I dodged a truck on the left by half a car's length. All this to say...I4 is the same as yours on the V6; it just doesn't do that slamming in reverse anymore when cold.
Thank you for the input. Sorry to hear your update didn't fix your transmission issues. It seems like there is some positive feedback from I-4 customers with the update, I guess you weren't one of the lucky customers. I heard that the 2019 Camry uses the exact same transmission. I am really hoping it is just software, not hardware in our cases. I know I had a similar issue with my F-150 with the new 10 speed transmission, BUT the update massively improved the shifting and brains of the operation.

Does anyone else despise the EPA and all the harm it forces manufacturers to instill into their vehicles?

Anyway, if anyone else has any input or feedback with their V6 Camry's, or maybe there is a thread started on this already that I could not find; please chime in. It is almost February 2019, I'd like to think they have a new software update for the vehicle by now, especially with all the complaints of this transmission.
 

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It seems like there is some positive feedback from I-4 customers with the update.
I4 here. Transmission update done 6000 kms ago. It works a little better until it leaves u struggling to get go in the middle of lane with faster traffic. It`s unreliable. You really don`t know how it will react when you really need it. You have to baby it and make an appointment before asking something more from it!
 

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This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zyFjWExIp0 is all about how Toyota is selling LIES about their crappy transmission/programming. As the video states, in the first gear the engine is indirectly coupled to the transmission (classic, hydraulic coupling). But in second and up gears it should be DIRECTLY coupled.

I had a dangerous situation where at 50km/h the car refused to get go at a lane changing in heavy traffic. I almost got rear ended!
As an impulsive reaction, I nervously pumped the f..king gas pedal (just like you would pump a brake pedal). Nothing happens! You pump it, the car coasts!
Now, how is this possible when the engine is supposed to be directly coupled to the transmission (at 50km/s is in third or fourth gear, I guess?)

My bet is that their drive by wire (electric throttle command) is badly managed. There is a lag between the command (at the gas pedal) and actual throttle reaction.
This should be easy to correct at the ECU level. But Toyota does not give any f...ks about it!

EDIT: OR the transmissions spins without actually transferring any rotation to the wheels!
Hmm, interesting. Thanks for the video. So are we guinea pigs for a new transmission design? It really infuriates me that when you buy a brand new vehicle, you get the peace of mind with warranty. Well I am realizing that it's not just Ford that does everything they can to mitigate responsibility and say everything is "normal."

I wonder how much "traction" this whole 8 speed transmission is gaining, and if they will do anything about it. Will they not just update the ECU/PCM if you show them the problems? It worked on my F-150 after bitchin enough about it.
 

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It worked on my F-150 after bitchin enough about it.
In that case "enough bitchin" was done through class action suits.
That really forced Ford to do anything about it.

My problem with tthe Toyota AISIN-8Speed is that the resale value of the cars using it will be severely impacted. For 2018MY it will also be impacted by the lack of CP and AA.
In my case the car is leased and warrantied for the duration of the lease. But I`m not so happy for the owners which will see three-four years from know how "revolutionary" this transmission really is.
 

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If you like tech, this next wideo offers a detailed glimpse into the AISIN-8speed transmission (this video was already posted in other threads here).
I actually watched all this video (1h long) with lots of interest. This transmission still has a brake band, which, according to this transmission specialist, is surprising as this is ancient tech....

EDIT: here`s the link:
 

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Hmm, interesting. Thanks for the video. So are we guinea pigs for a new transmission design? It really infuriates me that when you buy a brand new vehicle, you get the peace of mind with warranty. Well I am realizing that it's not just Ford that does everything they can to mitigate responsibility and say everything is "normal."

I wonder how much "traction" this whole 8 speed transmission is gaining, and if they will do anything about it. Will they not just update the ECU/PCM if you show them the problems? It worked on my F-150 after bitchin enough about it.
I had a service tech tell me that Toyota pushed this car to market way before it was ready and they're literally using owners as test subjects on the 8 speed auto.
Another thing that shocked me was how bad Toyota dealership service advisers and managers are. Coming from Honda, I expected them to be more or less the same. Advisors are CLUELESS, they have no idea what's in the car, how it works, what is what and managers are rude and dismissive, they make it sound like you're making it all up. Had this happen at both Toyota dealerships I used with my Camry.
 

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I had a service tech tell me that Toyota pushed this car to market way before it was ready and they're literally using owners as test subjects on the 8 speed auto.
Another thing that shocked me was how bad Toyota dealership service advisers and managers are. Coming from Honda, I expected them to be more or less the same. Advisors are CLUELESS, they have no idea what's in the car, how it works, what is what and managers are rude and dismissive, they make it sound like you're making it all up. Had this happen at both Toyota dealerships I used with my Camry.
My Toyota dealer is a 40 y.o. well established business and they are very kind and knowledgeable. Especially the service manager which is your typical “been there, done that” open minded old mechanic. Problem is they HAVE TO work with the cars Toyota is sending them. And they must sell. They cannot tell you in the face “Toyota screwed you, and we can`t fix it for you!”.

You probably insisted a lot to get the real answer to the problem.
I still think they are hiding the fact the transmission is hardware flawed and cannot be completely fixed by software adjustment.

Improvement can still be made, of course, but the underlying cause of how bad this transmission performs probably lies within its gears and fluid passages.
 

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They must have changed something as my XSE made in August 2018 behaves perfect and I like it much better then the old 6spd I have in 2016 SE. It reacts to throttle pedal very quickly and has no lugging at all. It's my wife's car and every time I drive it I envy it over my car. Hopefully this won't change as miles roll on.

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The worst is when you are approaching a light and don't have to come to full stop. You're rolling 10-15 MPH and it refuses to downshift so when it does, you lurch forward as if you got rear-ended.
Not to say it isn't an issue because it is, but that complaint is industry-wide right now. Look at some of the Jeep forums. All. Day. Long. MPG at the expense of comfort and driveability and the risk of safety. 8-speeds? 9-speeds? 10 effing speeds? We really need that? I don't. I'd rather have a manual. At least then I know what gear I want it in, what gear it is in, and what's going to happen when I step on the GD gas pedal.
 

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My wife’s 2016 Lexus RX350 had the same issue with the lagging, hunting for gears and hesitation. When we switched to the 2017 RX350 it was a little better than the 2016. Not perfect but better. So for the comment of Toyota using the Camry owners as guinea pigs, get in line behind the Lexus owners. If you go to the Lexus forum you will find 905 posts in a 61 page thread about the hesitation problem.

My V6 XSE isn’t too bad. Every once in a while it gets a hiccup but for the most part it’s pretty good. We have a lot of money invested in Toyota right now with these two cars, I am pretty sure eventually they will come out with a fix for it.

BTW... my mom bought a brand new 1986 Ford Taurus when they first came out and they had the same exact issues with the transmission. That car would knock out my teeth when it would shift from 1st to 2nd gear. So what I’m saying is that all the car manufacturers have quirks with their vehicles, it’s just luck of the draw whether you get a good one or not.
 

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Thanks for all the informative replies. It is quite annoying that the EPA is forcing the manufacturers to hit certain targets, even if it means sacrificing in massive ways in departments that shouldn't be sacrificed. It's a shame Lexus is feeling the brunt of this too. It's not like it's one model of vehicle from 1 year of production. We are talking across multiple lines, across multiple years now (they used exact same transmission for 2019's)
On my way to work this morning I had another near miss, thanks to the transmission. I think if enough people put in a complaint, especially safety related, it might get more traction. I had to zip around someone because my lane was backed up and not moving, so I finally saw a clearing to my right, punched it, it took what felt like a GD eternity to actually start accelerating. And of course when it finally does go, it goes like crazy, (winter & -18C) I could have got rear ended. A second or two lag is a HUGE PROBLEM when you're talking in the driving world.

So, is there any point in my bringing in my v6 in with this issue at the time? Has anyone had success getting an update or something with their v6 model? Thanks.
 

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They must have changed something as my XSE made in August 2018 behaves perfect and I like it much better then the old 6spd I have in 2016 SE. It reacts to throttle pedal very quickly and has no lugging at all. It's my wife's car and every time I drive it I envy it over my car. Hopefully this won't change as miles roll on.

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Agree. 2019 XSE I4 here built in November 2018. Smooth as silk. This car is a blast to drive and so smooth. The transmission shift points seem to be right on with no hesitation. My neighbor purchased a new Honda Accord last October. He took me for a ride the other day. It has the turbo with the CVT transmission. Yikes. You want a car to have plenty to complain about--purchase one of these beauties. Sounds like it's gonna explode every time he drives it. He is just glad he leased it for two years instead of purchasing it.
 

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They must have changed something as my XSE made in August 2018 behaves perfect and I like it much better then the old 6spd I have in 2016 SE. It reacts to throttle pedal very quickly and has no lugging at all. It's my wife's car and every time I drive it I envy it over my car. Hopefully this won't change as miles roll on.

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Agree. 2019 XSE I4 here built in November 2018. Smooth as silk. This car is a blast to drive and so smooth. The transmission shift points seem to be right on with no hesitation. My neighbor purchased a new Honda Accord last October. He took me for a ride the other day. It has the turbo with the CVT transmission. Yikes. You want a car to have plenty to complain about--purchase one of these beauties. Sounds like it's gonna explode every time he drives it. He is just glad he leased it for two years instead of purchasing it.
What did you pay for your 2019 XSE I4 if you don't mind me asking? I am willing to bet somewhere between $26K and $29K. Why am I asking? Because you're comparing it to a Accord Sport 1.5T CVT that costs $21K, maybe 23K, MAX! I paid $27,9K for my 2019 Accord 2.0T with 6 speed manual. I invite you to challenge one with your silky XSE. If you want to compare the 1.5T CVT to something, compare it to the rock bottom base version of SE.
 

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Not that I'm trying to defend anyone or anything here but he compared BASE engine and trans Camry to BASE engine and trans Accord. SE and XSE trim in Camry has same drivetrain in 4 cyl configuration. Yet you have challenged it with Accord that has premium engine and transmission that isn't even available in Camry. That is really not fair.

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Not that I'm trying to defend anyone or anything here but he compared BASE engine and trans Camry to BASE engine and trans Accord. SE and XSE trim in Camry has same drivetrain in 4 cyl configuration. Yet you have challenged it with Accord that has premium engine and transmission that isn't even available in Camry. That is really not fair.

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I'm comparing trims that are similarly priced. He compared the XSE I4 to a 6 or 7 thousand dollar cheaper CVT Accord.
 

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He compared sound of drivetrain, not equipment. Again, drivetrain on SE or XSE is same.

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