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#1 · (Edited)
Hey I'm a noob on here but I got a quick question. I've already searched the board a couple times but haven't found a topic that matches mine. I just recently purchased a doublecab longbed sport model (2 days ago) and was unsure about wheel size. I think the sport model already comes with a 3 inch lift over standard, so would it be alright with 22s? Also will they just bolt on and be ready to roll, or does there need have the fenders shaved? Any feedback would be appreciated, I know you guys have probably been asked this a million times.


Also I decided to put bigger rims and not tires because I honestly won't be doing any offroading in the future. We got a 2001 dodge 2500 for that porpous. I prefer the clean look of the bigger rims anyway. Also around here (arizona) everyone and their mother has bigger tires on their trucks. Rims would be something different. All black with a chrome lip on a silver truck. What do you guys think?
 
#2 · (Edited)
You will need lug-centric wheels.

Toyota and Chevy share the same bolt pattern of 6x139.7 (6x5.5). Chevys have smaller hubs and use hub-centric wheels. Toyotas have larger hubs and use lug-centric wheels.

Make sure the offset of the wheels you decide to buy are under 20mm. Most wheels are in the 10mm to 15mm offset range, which is nice and will look clean.

You can run 22s. You might need to trim a little bit, but not the fenders. You need to trim your mudflap or the plastic shield in the wheel well.

If you get 22s you can run a 265/40-22 tire.

Use this chart when finding out the offsets of wheels...

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#3 ·
NorCalTacoma said:
You will need lug-centric wheels.

Toyota and Chevy share the same bolt pattern of 6x139.7 (6x5.5). Chevys have smaller hubs and use hub-centric wheels. Toyotas have larger hubs and use lug-centric wheels.

Make sure the offset of the wheels you decide to buy are under 20mm. Most wheels are in the 10mm to 15mm offset range, which is nice and will look clean.

You can run 22s. You might need to trim a little bit, but not the fenders. You need to trim your mudflap or the plastic shield in the wheel well.

If you get 22s you can run a 265/40-22 tire.

Use this chart when finding out the offsets of wheels...

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Hey norcal do you know the bore diameter. i wanna make sure that when i order my rims off ebay the guy gives me the right ones.

Will i need to buy new lugs??
 
#4 · (Edited)
marnes2986 said:
Hey norcal do you know the bore diameter. i wanna make sure that when i order my rims off ebay the guy gives me the right ones.

Will i need to buy new lugs??
I don't know exactly what the bore diameter is. Cam2Xrunner knows it.

Make sure you tell the ebay dude you need lug-centric wheels and that you need NEW lugs.

I just got my new wheels and tires today and they gave me 36 new acorn style lugs.

The wheels that I got have a bore diameter of 107.95mm!

:thumbup:
 
#7 ·
NorCalTacoma said:
You will need lug-centric wheels.

Toyota and Chevy share the same bolt pattern of 6x139.7 (6x5.5). Chevys have smaller hubs and use hub-centric wheels. Toyotas have larger hubs and use lug-centric wheels.

Make sure the offset of the wheels you decide to buy are under 20mm. Most wheels are in the 10mm to 15mm offset range, which is nice and will look clean.

You can run 22s. You might need to trim a little bit, but not the fenders. You need to trim your mudflap or the plastic shield in the wheel well.

If you get 22s you can run a 265/40-22 tire.

Use this chart when finding out the offsets of wheels...

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Toyota's are hub centric not lug centric.
 
#9 ·
Silver-Bolt said:
Toyota's are hub centric not lug centric.
:confused:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=r.../autos/toyota-faq/tundra/&ei=PrRsRJLmDqLOpwLR-OWwAw&sig2=3vDs7KP0JGRwmUoOC2GP7g

Ninety Nine percent of all vehicles out in the world today utilze a "hub
centric" rim. What that means is that when your tire/wheel combination is
being balanced by a tire shop, they utilize a balance machine that relies on
the hub of the rim to be a "true centering" aid. In other words, the center
hole of the rim is what the tire shop uses to base the tire/wheel combination
balance on. The factory alloys on the Tundra SR5 and Limited are reported to
be Hub Centric rims.

Some Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma, Land Cruiser and Tundra factory rims have been
reported to be "bolt centric" or "lug centric", which means that the tire/wheel
combination must be centered on the lugs, and not using the center hub. An
excellent example of this is the Ivan Stewart TRD wheel for the Tundra, which
is a Lug Centric Wheel.

To correct this, tire shops and service centers must use a combination of a
Hunter tire balance machine and a Haweka adapter. According to the Internet,
all 4Runner wheels must be balanced using this combination per TSB SU002-96.
The Tundra equivalent to the 4Runner TSB is TSB# BR003-00.

Please ask your dealership or your tire service center if they have the listed
equipment. It has been reported that many Toyota dealers do not. If you have
tire work done at a Toyota dealership, ask to see the actual lug centric
converter.
 
#10 ·
http://www.gadgetonline.com/Vibration.htm

The wheels used on the 4Runner/Tacoma are “lug centric” and are not the more common “hub centric” wheels like on most cars and light trucks. Hub centric wheels are centered on the vehicle hubs using the center hole in the wheel. That is kind of simple. On lug centric wheels the wheels are centered on the vehicle hub using the lug bolt holes and not the center hole. When the wheels are made and machined they are done so using the lug holes to mount the wheels to the machines that make them. The lug holes are the true center of the wheel and not the center hole. So, if the center hole is not in the true center you can understand how mounting the wheel to the balance machine using the center hole is not going to work very well. The wheel needs to be mounted to the balance machine using the lugholes.
 
#12 ·
NorCalTacoma said:
LOL.

They are lug-centric.

Ask anyone. :thumbup:
That is one bet you will lose. 100% hub centric. Look at the factory lugs nuts, wheel to hub fit. Jack up the truck and remove all the lug nuts. Bet the wheel stays in place. If you use non-hubcentric wheels you will need centering rings. If not expect vibration. My stock TRD Sport wheels are hubcentric and my 18" BBS wheels are also hubcentric.
 
#13 ·
NorCalTacoma said:
All Toyota and Lexus wheels are lug-centric.

This is what Cam2Xrunner told me.
Again wrong information. My Lexus IS350 is also hubcentric. Your information is incorrect. Between my Tacoma and IS350 I have 4 sets of wheels. All of them are hubcentric.
 
#14 ·
Guess it depends on the wheel because like the quote says above the Ivan Stewart's are lug-centric.

They also require a acorn shaped lug nut. The stock steelies I had previously did not have this type of nut and I was unable to use them. I'm guessing that is because they were hub-centric?

There isn't a clear cut "this is what you're looking for" answer out there. I know what I have but I'm unsure as to say 100% either way per anybody else.
 
#18 ·
NorCalTacoma said:
Silver-bolt, that is crazy!

So when you put on the BBS wheels on your truck how did that go?

Any need for hub rings?

From what I have heard Chevys are the ones with hub-centric wheels and Toyotas are the ones with lug-centric due to the large bore diameter.
The BBS wheels I have are Toyota specific so it has the correct hub diameter. Wheels were bought at the dealer with Toyota P/N's. The Chevy version of the same wheel will not work. No acorn nuts on either set of wheels. Both have flat face washers. Wheels are centered on the hub. Nuts retain the wheel to the hub but do not center it. Same goes for the stock 17" TRD Sport wheels. Running an 18x9 wheel with a 285-60-18 A/T tire I have zero vibration.
 
#20 ·
Silver-Bolt said:
The BBS wheels I have are Toyota specific so it has the correct hub diameter. Wheels were bought at the dealer with Toyota P/N's. The Chevy version of the same wheel will not work. No acorn nuts on either set of wheels. Both have flat face washers. Wheels are centered on the hub. Nuts retain the wheel to the hub but do not center it. Same goes for the stock 17" TRD Sport wheels. Running an 18x9 wheel with a 285-60-18 A/T tire I have zero vibration.
I, too, think you are wrong. So, why do the wheels balance on the hub while on the machine, then when you put them on the truck, they are out of balance? I have had nightmares about this crap spending a week and a sawbuck trying out 3 different shops to get a great balance with no luck (and this was when I had factory rims). It wasn't untill I told a shop to balance my wheels with a pin-plate adapter that my wheels got properly balanced.

Check this out...

http://tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44639&highlight=lug-centric
 
#21 ·
I'll have to second that Silver-Bolt is wrong!
TireDiscount, and 4wheelpatrs told me that our trucks use a lug-centric wheel.

If Silver-Bolt is right someone better tell these guys that they have been selling people the wrong wheel?
 
#22 ·
He's not right.

Cam worked at a tire shop and he said we have lug-centric wheels.

You know why Silver-Bolt thinks we have hub-centric wheels?

Because he saw that the wheel was very tight on the Tacoma hub, there for he thought it's lug-centric.

Try and put a Chevy (TRUE HUB-CENTRIC) wheel on a Tacoma, it won't fit.


There was a guy on here who put H3 wheels on his Tacoma, he said he had to enlarge the hubs on the H3 wheels because they would not fit on the Tacoma hub.