If its a head gasket issue:

oily deposits will be in your coolant.
engine oil will be "mikly" on the dipstick, you will notice an increase in oil amount and a decrease in coolant.

It sounds more like a water pump issue to me, the noise you describe is coming from right where the water pump is. If the water pump isnt working properly, you engine will heat up like you have said. Could also be a stuffed thermostat.

My advice:

Replace water pump, replace thermostat, and see what happens. might as well do timing belt while you are there, you have to take it off to get to the water pump!

Cheers.

 

^ Exactly, I'd sayt he same thing. The sound is either the timing belt or water pump, but because the temp is going up, my guess is the water pump. As v-cam said, replace both at the same time.

ALSO change the thermostate while your at it as it's not much money.

But to be honest, I think the sound is actually DIFFERENT from the temp issue. My guess is both the thermostate AND water pump/timing belt are going, which are both normal wear items.

One other point of interest, do your cooling fans in front of the radiator come on? Thats OFTEN overlooked.

 

^yeah the fans working, re-read his thread adam!!

possible radiator block??

 

^yeah the fans working, re-read his thread adam!!

possible radiator block??

:lol: You suck.

Take pitty on a person needing sleep.

 

Thanks for the advice guys, I'll check the fan issue after work, coolant looks fine and oil's normal when it comes off the dipstick.

Is water pump/timing belt job easy to do and would it be better to get Toyota original (cringing at the cost of the thought already!!!) parts for the job?

Just out of interest, where on the engine is the thermostat located?

Thanks again.



Andrew

 

Typically your fans shouldnt come on very often, in fact I have only ever heard my fan come on for a/c purposes, never for a hot engine. So it is sounding more and more like the water pump not flowing coolant.

Timing belt/water pump isnt easy if you havnt done it before. I had my mechanic do it, cost money but was worth it since i didnt have to worry about if i had stuffed it up etc. No you dont need OEM parts, but make sure you get a reliable brand.

Not to certain from memory where exactly the thermo is, but its on the inlet hose from the radiator? (adam, o wise one, help me out here! )

oh, and get this fixed asap! dont drive around with a hot engine or you will be replacing head gaskets and a host of other parts!

BTW, how many kms are on your car?

 

I don't know where it is, haha. I'm useless this time!

I have been told to get a Toyota Brand Timing Belt due to quality. I've also been finiding out that many aftermarket replacement parts cost the same as the dealer, but are not as good.

Timing Belt and Water pump chane may cost you around $700USD (370GBP).

 

Still at work, but normally they just substitue the $ for the £ and leave the number the same!!

 

Coolant levels are still fine, fans appear to be coming on in good fashion, friend suggested testing the tension on the belts, they seem firm enough.

Gonna be brave and head in to Toyota to see about getting the bits, maybe see how much they charge for diagnosing the issue.

Push comes to shove the folks will take the £400 hit or so on the credit card, but it's not something I want to go to unless I have to.

Does anyone know where there's diagrams or section pictures of the engine on the internet? Everything else is still the same at the minute.

 

Alternatively an engine manual of some kind would be good. all the advice is appreciate at the minute people, I'll certainl mention if I get any further.

 

Go to the top of general Camry discussion. Manual download is posted there.

 

Thanks for the link, but it doesn't seem to cover the 1994 V6 3VZ-FE. Unless the 1mz-fe is gonna be compatible to a certain degree :thumbup:

 

^not sure... i have the 3vzfe aswell, I helped my mechanic change the belt and water pump, and there was no way i could have done it myself, and i am mechanically minded! Without a manual, dont attempt it.

 

You may also be better off buying the parts yourself and having a shop (not Toyota) do it.

 

Took the car to Toyota today, they seem to think that it's the whole water pump scenario.

It'll be going in for the water pump, timing belt and thermostat and cylinder pressure testing next week. It's gonna be around £330 plus an hour for the cylinder testing so it's not as bad as I was expecting. It'll probably work out around the £400 mark overall which is about $750.

I'll keep people updated, but they seemed to think that what people are saying is right as it's never run into the red yet on the gauge.

Thanks again for all the helpful advice.

 

further advice urgently needed

Hi, got the car back from Toyota today.

Worked carried out: timing belt, water pump, thermostat, the consumables (guessing bolts etc...) and the necessary amount of coolant after a change.

The car's still making the whining noise, still sounds like it's coming from the same area. I'm going back to speak to Toyota in the morning when they open, but I need further advice if anyone has any ideas.

Appreciate the earlier advice so hoping someone will be able to help again!!


Andrew

 

listen my man, don`t look anywhere else, change your radiator, that`s your problem ,this will stop your overheating problem>>

 

So is it still overheating? If the overheat problem has ben cured, then the wining noise could also be a tensioner pully in the timing belt area. Toyota should have picked this up though, let us know what they say the noise is.

If they charge you to pull it apart again, dont pay em. You took it in to have the overheat and whining noise repaired, buy the sounds of it, they have fixed the overheating.

If your car is no longer overheating, then its not your radiator. Where is your temp guage level when the car is warm?

 

sorry guys, wrote that late last night, it's still overheating. was a bit zombified at the time.

i'm going to speak to them in 30mins, will post from work, hope they'll be positive about it, or i won't...

£355 is a lot of money!!!

edit: the gauge sits 3/4 of the way up still....i'm gonna record the noise tonight....what the hell.

 

listen my man, don`t look anywhere else, change your radiator, that`s your problem ,this will stop your overheating problem>>

You're possibly right, it might come to that, but the work they've done was supposed to stop the noise and the overheating which at the minute's not happened. Symptoms are still the same.

What they did: timing belt, water pump, thermostat and coolant.

The really annoying bit is the service manager said we'll order those parts in as we can always send them back if it's not the issue. They had my mobile number to call me if it was anything else so they could get my ok to go ahead with the work. No call.

It's not my first camry v6 and I'm familiar with the noises of this one before the problems started. Arrrgh, so frustrating. :hammer:

I took a couple of 3gp movies, so people can listen to the sound. One just focuses on where it appears to be coming from. The other pans from one side to the other, you hear the noise lessening a little as you move away from the side where the water pump is. At least you see the fan spinning on the radiator anyway.

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/44eca09f_1810c/bc/My+Documents/Engine+Video+1.3gp?bfqnK7EB8mSUTSiY

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/44eca09f_1810c/bc/My+Documents/Engine+Video+2.3gp?bfqnK7EBwZkJa6ch

Any further comments would be much appreciate, I owe people a few pints I think. :clap:

edit: Temperature gauge is still sitting at this level after a drive.

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7641/tempgaugeiy6.jpg

 

Picture works but the Vid's don't for me. Not sure if it's just my puter or not.

 

Picture works but the Vid's don't for me. Not sure if it's just my puter or not.

Converted to wmv, maybe that'll work better.

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/44eca09f_1810c/bc/My+Documents/Engine+Video+1+wmv.wmv?bfngM7EBk4yXYSpZ

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/44eca09f_1810c/bc/My+Documents/Engine+Video+2+wmv.wmv?bfngM7EBPikXVBvz

 

Friends response: Fan clutch, thermostat or water pump...

 

They're now talking about drive belts....seemingly the technician thought there was a little play, and the service manager then thought there was possibly some issue with the timing belt tensioner causing the noise.

It's going back on Monday.....thing is since they've done the work(might just be a coincidence) if it's been sitting cold for a while, it'll make some kind of gurgling noise on startup and when you accelerate, it's then fine throughout the day.

As someone said earlier in the thread, gonna ask them to have a good look at the radiator etc..

I think someone upstairs hates me.

 

hmmmm. im beggining to think that the noise and overheating is unrelated.

Heating i believe could possibly be a blocked up radiator. I just had my radiator pulled out and cleaned it was half blocked. the car runs cooler now. was only $100 aud. You would be surprised at how much junk builds up in a radiator! The noise definatley is something toyota should fix for nothing (except parts) as they never fixed it in the first place!

i havnt been able to watch the vids, error with the server? anyhow, timing belt tensioner sounds likley. alot of people have it replaced with the timing belt as its a cheap part and worth doing.

Keep us updated on what toyota said, oh and no one upstairs hates you, its simply cars being cars.

cheers,