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2006 Corolla a245e Transmission no forward or reverse motion

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#1 ·
Hi, to Toyota Nation hope all is well with everyone. This may be a bit wordy so I apologize in advance lol. So this is how this story goes, a family member originally owned this corolla, they say one day it just stopped moving, no forward or reverse, they towed it home and parked it and it sat for at least a year. They were going to get rid of it and because I they know that I do as much of my own maintenance as I can they gave it to me. Now I will first start off by saying that I'm not or I wasn't a transmission mechanic until about two weeks ago lol o_O:rolleyes:😁🙂 however I'm enjoying the challenge and so far I've learned how to disassemble and reassemble the a245e transmission valve body. Now here's a synopsis of what I've did so far and where I am now. I pulled the codes and based on that result I removed the pan, the pan had what I would consider expected where for a tranny with 200k + miles on it. I found one very small piece of metal maybe an 8th of an inch, the fluid was reddish brown but not black, you could see slight glistening in the bottom of the pan similar to what one would see when panning for gold but in my humble opinion it wasn't heavy enough to cause the car to suddenly stop moving in drive or reverse, there was also some sediment on the magnets. I first did electrical checks of the solenoids resistance at the plug, they were all within range per the manual, I then removed the solenoids and rechecked the resistance directly with the same result. I then checked the T.C.C. , A & B solenoids with 12 volts, the A&B solenoids had a very strong click but the T.C.C. solenoid had a much softer click, it was not as noticeable as the A&B solenoids. I then removed the valve body, some of the actuators did not move freely or would stay depressed when I pushed them. Per the manual I took it apart/cleaned/reassembled and now all parts move freely. I reinstalled the valve body along with a new filter and transmission fluid
(Valvoline MaxLife Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid). Now when I shift into reverse/drive you can feel the car drop into gear but there is no wheel movement, the rpm's rise then settle as you shift through the gears, currently I still have the car front end on jacks. I find it interesting that all of the codes point to a possible electrical issue and not necessarily a mechanical hardware failure so my next move is to do point to point continuity checks of the associated wiring. Also the fact that all of the solenoids are reporting faults makes me wonder if the computer could be the issue as it is the central point. I'm hoping to gain greater insight that will help me to possibly pinpoint what maybe causing this issue and Ideas to help me correct it without necessarily having to replace the transmission plus it would really be cool to make this transmission work if that's possible, actually I'm enjoying this challenge, it's like the ultimate puzzle and all help is appreciated.
Below are the pulled codes.
DTC 0974 Shift Solenoid 'A' Control Circuit High
DTC 0977 Shift Solenoid 'B' Control Circuit High
DTC 2716 Pressure Control Solenoid 'D' Electrical
DTC 2770 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit High
To All: God Bless, Be Well and Enjoy Your Day.
 
#2 ·
Was there a pump inside the transmission? It sounds like the solenoids aren’t able to allow the flow of fluid at the correct flow rate to satisfy the ecu.

If there isn’t a pump inside the transmission, you’ll have to check the park/neutral switch for voltages. You’d be able to mechanically move the selector, but the electronic nullifies based on the signals.

Edit : does your scan tool read the transmission position?
 
#3 ·
The transmission is a, a245e and yes it does have a pump inside. My scan tool is a Launch X-431 IMMO Elite/Elite Plus and yes it does read all shift positions. The scan tool shows every position that I select as on/off for park/reverse/neutral/Low for shift the scan tool displays 1st and when I select drive the scan tool momentarily shows 2nd as shift but then displays shift as 1st. The scan tool also shoes when the SLT solenoid turns on /off as I shift. I have attached some screenshots of the scan tool for for your review. I also recorded a screen graph to attach but cannot find where it is stored in this unit. It seems that the car knows which drive position has been selected because I can feel it subtly acknowledge the selected shift input/command. I also verified that 12v was being supplied to the solenoids by checking for it at the transmission connector. Thanks For Responding.
God Bless, Be Well and Enjoy The Rest Of Your Evening.
 

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Can you measure the transmission pressure electronically on the scan tool? If not can you measure it with a gauge attached to the transmission? Transmissions are pretty complicated and definitely a diagnosis of pressure problems should be determined before just replacing the pump. The pump may be fine but the pressure could be bleeding off somewhere and who knows maybe the small metal part you found in the pan might have something to do with it.
 
#17 ·
Hope all is well.Good morning, I disconnected the cooler line and measured the line pressure,I capped the radiator port and connected the gauge to the line that goes to the top of the radiator. The pressure reading on the gauge was zero at idle and 2500 + rpm's however a few minutes after turning off the engine I noticed fluid seepage from where I connected the gauge to the line attached to the transmission.
 
#11 ·
Hi hope all is well. I was not able to get to the car on yesterday but did so briefly today. I did confirm that the wiring and pinouts are correct, the ECM/TCU pins 9-14 is sending supplying 12v to all of the solenoids and I am able to turn the lock and SLT solenoids on/off with the scan tool and I can tell that the car is responding to the electrical inputs to move forward or go in reverse as I shift, I can hear and see the rise and drop in the engine rpm's. what's a little odd is that when I watch the data stream for the lock up and S.L.T. solenoids I don't see any change in signal/voltage amplitude even though they turn on/off and also believe at least with the S.L.T. solenoid which is the line pressure solenoid there is a momentary rise in the engine rpm's but I'll have to double check for that because I am not sure. I cannot measure transmission pressure electronically but I can look into getting a gauge to do so, as for the small metal piece I found in the pan it measured 8th of an inch long by 3/16ths wide, very very small but that very well could be significant enough. Another thing I find odd is that the manual specifically says not to put 12v directly across the S.L.T. solenoid or else it will be damaged however I measured +12v out of (+) pin 14 ECM/ETC which goes through the solenoid and back into the ECM/ETC on (-) pin 13 hopefully I can put a little time in on the car again tomorrow. For now with gratitude, Thanks for your input and your Time. As always: God Bless, Be Well and Enjoy The Rest Of Your Evening.
 
#13 ·
Hope all is well. Good morning, I took the valve body apart and cleaned it really well/made sure that all parts moved freely in their housing but yes, you may be correct, I am going to do a line pressure test as Torontoguy suggested, just waiting on the tester to arrive and I don't mind buying a used valve body just to rule it out as a possible cause. The following excerpt is from my previous post: Another thing I find odd is that the manual specifically says not to put 12v directly across the S.L.T. solenoid or else it will be damaged however I measured +12v out of (+) pin 14 ECM/ETC which goes through the solenoid and back into the ECM/ETC on (-) pin 13
My question is does anyone know if 12v is supposed to come out of pin 14 of the ECM/ECT, where can I find a schematic that shows which voltage comes off which pins. I guess what I am asking for is an internal schematic diagram of the ECM/ECT itself.
 
#15 ·
Hope all is well. I watched the video and it may have identified the problem with my transmission, it's pretty much the exact same symptoms. I'm still going to check the line pressure but looks like it will have to come out, I've never rebuilt a transmission before but it doesn't look to difficult if you really pay attention to detail, be very organized and work with patience. I have to decide if I want to go that route or just get a used one to throw in. Being that this car is not my main or back up vehicle I'm really feelin that what the heck just go for IT D.Y.I. rebuilding bug in my spare time. It would be no doubt frustratingly fun challenge L.O.L o_O 😁 Thanks for sending this video my way, much appreciated.
 
#18 ·
Cooler line to the trans cooler in the rad pressure? That will only be a few psi. I mean the line pressure that is used for activating all the bands and clutches in the trans. We could be talking 100-300 psi depending. I do not know if there is a port on the side of the trans for this.

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Transmission Pressure Readings
Hi hope all is well. Thanks for the video. Today is the first day that I am able to follow-up on the video you sent me and wanted to respond to you after I was able to work on the car. Today I was able to attach the gauge to the transmission case plug. The gauge pic. that reads 50 psi is with park selected, The gauge pic. that reads 100 psi is with reverse selected and will rise to 200+ PSI also when revving engine ,when D ,2 or L is selected the gauge will only read 50 psi. When the engine is revved with D,2 or L selected the gauge drops to zero and when the engine returns to idle the gauge pops back up to 50 psi. I have attached a unlisted YouTube video link of the transmission pressures while running. In the video from 0-20 secs. R is selected , video from 20-38 SECS. D is selected, video from 40-58 secs. P is selected.
 
#23 ·
Does R work.........I forget? Look for something common between all non-working gears. What are the factory pressure specs if you have them?

On post 1 you wrote:

DTC 0974 Shift Solenoid 'A' Control Circuit High
DTC 0977 Shift Solenoid 'B' Control Circuit High
DTC 2716 Pressure Control Solenoid 'D' Electrical
DTC 2770 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit High

Has the pressure control solonoid been tested? What in the trans actually measures the pressure electronically and sends that info back to the TCM/BCM/PCM?
 
#24 ·
Hope all is well. 'R' does not work. When in 'R' at idle pressure rises to 100 psi, revving engine 2500 rpm's +/- raises pressure to 200 psi +/- Other than no wheel movement and reported DTC'SI haven't detected any other trouble indicators IE: unusual sounds ect. I don't have the factory specs for line pressure but got this information through an online search (line pressure typically ranges from 0 to 220 psi, with a maximum of 125 psi fed to the line-pressure-solenoid) SLT Solenoid 'D' measured 5.6 ohm's within factory specs. it is locate in the Trans and also monitors line pressure/reports data to the ECM/ECT, Shift Solenoids 'A' /'B' and T.C.C measured 13.2/13.4 ohms, also within factory spec. As I said in post 1 completely disassembled, inspected, cleaned and reassembled the valve body. I have also inspected the harness/interconnects/connectors and pins, all check ok. Voltage from the ECM/ECT per factory wiring diagrams checks ok. Today I will clear/pull codes again, Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated.
 
#25 ·
it is locate in the Trans and also monitors line pressure/reports data to the ECM/ECT
With your scan tool, can you see what the ECM/ECT sees as the line pressure? (ie feedback from the solenoid D) I am pretty sure these cars have a separate control module (TCM) but maybe not.

Solenoid D must have some sort of electronic sensor in it in ADDITION to just being a solenoid. Maybe the solenoid portion works well but maybe not the sensor part................... as it is part of the error codes (DTC 2716).................or maybe I am wrong
 
#27 ·
Hi hope all is well with you today. Since my last post I was able to record the attached video of me shifting through the gears. The video is just over a minute long but it took me me more than a week to figure out how to put the text on it and I still dont know how to rotate it soory about that, I am using a trial version of filmora. I only put text on the first 54 secs. for that reason, as I shift the text moves to the selected position,there's also voltage graphs beneath the selected components but they remain at 0v,I don't think that this transmission has pressure sensors but I can be wrong about that.
Scan tool shifting video 2