I am not a fan of harness bars. They should be integrated into a proper roll cage along with the mounting points for the seats. The idea is to create an integrated cocoon inside the car. I suppose they are nice for show, but if you are racing and get in a wreck the seats can tear loose and you will be squished between the harness and the seats. Hence the full cage in my truck.

 

Yeah I eventually want to the full cage. At that point i'll probably sell my harness bar but in the mean time I figured this would be nice. I always feel a lot safter with 4 or 5 point belts, even on the public streets lol

 

Actually, you're not safer without all the gear, and even with it not on the streets. All this equipment was designed around track collision scenarios, where head-ons with other vehicles and such are next to non existent.

A harness by itself has only downsides, and getting squished as TcmaBoy pointed out is the main reason. Not just from the seat though...in a rollover, the roof will collapse to a certain extent. Ever wondered why 3 point shoulder belts have the opening on the inside of the car? So your body has somewhere to go if that occurs. A harness will lock you in until the roof meets your brainstem.

A 4 point harness is the worst of all worlds, as it allows and actually promotes the "submarine". This is where your body has nowhere to go but down under the lap belt portion due to seating position and your internal organs rupture as you go...not pleasant!

So IMO, the use of a 5-6 point also requires a full cage, and a helmet (bouncing your skull off a cage tube will kill you pretty quick too, or worse leave you a pretty nasty brain injury), and those both require a HANS like device to keep your head attached properly. The only exception is perhaps off-roading, where the speeds are low and the only real worry is for rollovers, not high speed collisions, so you can probably omit the HANS device, but I'd keep the rest.

On a roadcar, they are in all a bad idea IMO...

 

The only exception is perhaps off-roading, where the speeds are low and the only real worry is for rollovers, not high speed collisions, so you can probably omit the HANS device, but I'd keep the rest.

On a roadcar, they are in all a bad idea IMO...

I wish more folks wore helmets when playing in the rocks. If you flip the truck your head can meet rock in a hurry (and those cage bars do sting a bit).

 

thats such a wonderful picture :barf:

Yeah... i'm definately gonna wait for the cage. I like my insides the way they are lol