The problem hasn't happened to me, but something doesn't sound right. It seems they my have not tighten the lugs all the way and the tire may have almost fallen off which caused the vibration and the studs to bend.

 

The problem hasn't happened to me, but something doesn't sound right. It seems they my have not tighten the lugs all the way and the tire may have almost fallen off which caused the vibration and the studs to bend.

Sounds more logical than "weak lugs". Alloys wheels are supposed to be torqued anyway...

 

Lots of people with Tacomas have the wheels you have and various other brands and we have not seen a problem like this before. I agree with rpmspeedyblue, those wheels were just not installed right. I hope the tire shop will be paying for all of this and that you get this fixed at the dealer.

 

i got aftermarket wheels and tires and have no problems at all. in fact, a few of my friends have 05 tacos too with aftermarket wheels and tires and no one has the problem you describe. i used to work at a service station before and i've seen the exact thing you describe from exactly what rpmspeedyblue sadi it is caused by, imporperly installed and torqued lug nuts. the place you got your wheels from prolly knew they caused it but didn't want to foot the bill OR be responsible if you got hurt driving it like that. Hence, they made you have it repaired first. i'd go back to them and have a frank discussion with the manager/owner.

 

That's a bunch of BS.

He's just covering his ass because of negligence on the part of his shop.

Ask him what the lug torque specs are on that truck with those wheels. If he doesn't know, ask the tech who took them on and off the last time.

I BET the guy with his mouth flapping doesn't know the answer, and I bet the torque specs are waaaaaay less than any guess they'll give you...

Ever looked at the specs post assembly?

Just a guess from memory, which could be wrong, I think it's in the neighborhood of 35-40 ft/lbs, which is way less than a standard impact wrench is capable of.

I bet you'll be surprised at how little torque is required.


As far as a notorious weakness with Toyotas? Apparently notorious at HIS shop (gee I wonder why), but nobody in the Toyota community is aware of it which is odd don't you think? We're critical of our trucks more than anyone else. If it was an issue, it would be right next to all the other gripes.

 

Lugs

As a Parts Manager for a Toyota Dealer I agree with this person...

Torque the lugs people. If you use an impact, you will stretch the studs NO MATTER WHAT kind of vehicle you own.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the place you original poster had his wheels put on just zipped the lugs on with an impact.

That's a bunch of BS.

He's just covering his ass because of negligence on the part of his shop.

Ask him what the lug torque specs are on that truck with those wheels. If he doesn't know, ask the tech who took them on and off the last time.

I BET the guy with his mouth flapping doesn't know the answer, and I bet the torque specs are waaaaaay less than any guess they'll give you...

Ever looked at the specs post assembly?

Just a guess from memory, which could be wrong, I think it's in the neighborhood of 35-40 ft/lbs, which is way less than a standard impact wrench is capable of.

I bet you'll be surprised at how little torque is required.


As far as a notorious weakness with Toyotas? Apparently notorious at HIS shop (gee I wonder why), but nobody in the Toyota community is aware of it which is odd don't you think? We're critical of our trucks more than anyone else. If it was an issue, it would be right next to all the other gripes.

 

As a Parts Manager for a Toyota Dealer I agree with this person...

Torque the lugs people. If you use an impact, you will stretch the studs NO MATTER WHAT kind of vehicle you own.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the place you original poster had his wheels put on just zipped the lugs on with an impact.

What are the Torque specs for the factory toyota alloy rims (16" Off Road Rims in my case), I checked the shop manuals and could not find any torque specs on the "tire rotation page", I am sure its some where in the 3 books but could not find it.

Anyone know off hand?

 

Not sure if its the same, but i have been told aroudn 70lbs is the proper amount. And that really isnt much, considering most tire shops likely use a high quality impact gun (with HIGH torque) for those tough nuts.... So it was probably on more than 150lbs....

 

Not sure if its the same, but i have been told aroudn 70lbs is the proper amount. And that really isnt much, considering most tire shops likely use a high quality impact gun (with HIGH torque) for those tough nuts.... So it was probably on more than 150lbs....

Yeah, I just found this on a site " Tacoma 1999-05 85 ft-lbs"

Carrera GT, 2004-05 407 ft-lbs, guess you don't want a tire to fall off at 200+ mph

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoWheelTorque.dos

 

Yeah, I just found this on a site " Tacoma 1999-05 85 ft-lbs"

Carrera GT, 2004-05 407 ft-lbs, guess you don't want a tire to fall off at 200+ mph

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoWheelTorque.dos

The Carrera GT only has one nut per wheel, and it comes with a fancy little gear-reduction wrench that fastens to the wheel so you can tighten it by hand without having to use a 4 foot long bar.

 

Do the Ivan Stewarts use the same type of lugnuts as stock? I just ask because I've seen cases of people getting new wheels (for random vehicles) and using the stock cone-tipped lugnuts, where the wheels needed shouldered nuts (the kind that stick well into the wheel.) As a result, they only had a few threads of the stud engaged in the nut. It usually ends in results like you just had. If you already know you have the right nuts disregard me, I just wanted to throw that out there in case it hadn't been considered, before your other three wheels fell off on you.

 

As a Parts Manager for a Toyota Dealer I agree with this person...

Torque the lugs people. If you use an impact, you will stretch the studs NO MATTER WHAT kind of vehicle you own.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the place you original poster had his wheels put on just zipped the lugs on with an impact.

My experience with overtorqing a bolt, lugs and screws usually ending up snapping it off or stripping the bolt. i have'nt heard of stretching. How Boone88r described the studs, they were slightly bent and if the tire shop over torqed the lugs they would of most likely snapped the stud right off when trying to take them off. Plus most tire shops own torq wrenches and torq it to spec, It seems that this was'nt done.

 

Thanks for your replies guys.

I took the truck down to the dealer today and had them look at it. The studs are indeed strpped a bit but the lugs and wheels are on tight. They might be the wrong lugs for the wheels, jury is still out. I have some TRD lugs especially for the Ivan Stewarts coming in. They are going to replace the studs on my truck. Clearly the guy (or kid) at the tire shop put on the lugs with an impact wrench and messed up the threads. The current lugs are holding on to the studs ok but the are stretching out the studs because they aren't fitting in the way they are supposed to. Long, confusing story short is that they were indeed put on wrong, the lugs may also be wrong and the studs will be replaced next week while I'm away on business. Until then (Friday) I can drive the truck sparingly, which I won't really at all.

I'm also getting the leaf spring TSB done next week as well. I was looking at some of the '06s in the lot and they all have black pads to prevent the clanging.

Might have them look at my seat as well next week. It's been squeaking like a 20 year old couch.

Thanks again. Happy Thanksgiving!

 

I'm also getting the leaf spring TSB done next week as well. I was looking at some of the '06s in the lot and they all have black pads to prevent the clanging.

The TSB replaces the black pads with white ones. Shoot me an PM with your email addy and I'll shoot you the PDF file for the TSB.

 

The TSB replaces the black pads with white ones. Shoot me an PM with your email addy and I'll shoot you the PDF file for the TSB.

You don't happen to know the affected S/N range for it do you?

 

The short answer:
80 ft/lbs
Yes, Toyota uses a softer metal for the lugs than most
why? According to Toyota this better seats the stock wheels

 

What are the Torque specs for the factory toyota alloy rims (16" Off Road Rims in my case), I checked the shop manuals and could not find any torque specs on the "tire rotation page", I am sure its some where in the 3 books but could not find it.

Anyone know off hand?

Torque specs for both front and rear wheel lug nuts is: 83 ft-lbs.

 

lol, I KNEW it wasn't "as tight as the impact wrench will torque it."