Afternoon,
We just got a 2025 Camry LE, w/ FWD, primarily for the additional mileage and basic simplicity. It is our first Toyota and we are both in our late 60's so we have owned a few vehicles. I started out researching on the net for a new car that is almost unavailable. I wanted a normally aspirated engine because I was tired of reading about the pathetic lack of longevity of turbocharged newer small block car engines. Additionally, I have not had great luck with "conventional" auto transmissions and I would have actually preferred a manual because they last forever, in my experience, and you can change transmission fluid faster than an oil change. You never get to the point that you don't change the fluids because your 200K mile clutches may begin to slip. If I was able to find one, I would have gotten another VW Golf TDI (turbodiesel direct injection ) Sportwagen from which we get about 54 MPG on the NE Extension of the PA TP which is not flat. On I 95 in the New Jersey to NC area we'd approach 57 MPG at 70 MPG. I have no idea why VW screwed with the computer on that car when the latest generation clean diesels had some much torque and got such fabulous mileage. The infotainment center in the Camry is overly complex, like someone else mentioned, and all the sonar safety features are, in my opinion, at best lackluster in their operation. The Camry is replacing a 2010 Volvo XC70 T6 with a standard automatic and turbocharged 3.0L inline 6. That car is amazingly comfortable and I've been in cars costing a lot more that I'd never be able to afford even if I wanted to. The 14 yo Volvo's sonar safety features are noticeably better than the 2025 Camry and the adaptive cruise control is heavy on the brakes in comparison. I have my fingers crossed about the Cammry's e-CVT. It's a one-off design compared to other mfr's designs and I really am impressed w/ it so far and I like the beltess/chainless design and the lack of clutches to wear out and no torque converter . I can change the e-CVT fluid just like the Sportwagen's manual tranny, except that it is almost twice the fluid at about 4.5 qts which is good. More fluid is better for longevity. I try to do basic maintenance myself not so much because I enjoy it but because I dislike most dealership service. When they delivered the car it felt odd on the drive home. I checked the four tires and they were all overinflated by a minimum of 8 # and two were at 9 # over. That pissed me off and so I pulled th oil dipstick and the crankcase was overfilled by about 1/2 quart. I went back to the dealership and they told a 69 YO guy that has been changing oil since before I cold drive that I read the dipstick wrong and that the oil probably splashed up onto the dipstick. I two days I got an email request from Toyota about the dealership and I laid into their service department. I'll try to find another dealer for the free oil change period but always I do 5,000 mile changes on our cars so I'll do a change before the dealer's changes every 10K miles. So if you are wondering, that kind of experience over the years is why I do basic things myself. I can do them faster, better and for less $$. Aside from the bad dealer service experiences, we like the car very much and I hope that it will give us the legendary service that I for which I hear that Toyota is famous. One other thing........ the 2025 Camry offerings were very few and far between and they had on on their lot and one due the next day. We got it in Supersonic Red with a black interior ....because that's what they had. I am not crazy about black because it shows dust and dirt more than a lighter color but that's something I mention for someone that may still be considering a new or even used car. Wish us good luck with our first Toyota. I have my fingers and toes crossed too regarding 0W-8 and I'll stay with it until the warranty expires and probably add a quart of Red Line 0W-20 oil with is like 0W-16 w/ its Group V ester base oil that has very high detergency. I hear more and more stories about low pressure piston oil rings in newer car engines getting gummed up in cars using a 10,000 mile OCI, so the added detergency should help, too on top of 5000 mile OCI that I use. For those interested there are some good YOuTube videos by Lake Speed Jr. who has formulated race oils and he says not to be scared about los-vis oils because the additive packages are quite different and have been proven to reduce wear to the levels achieved w/ higher vis oils. If you are interested, you can find him at themotoroilgeek on YouTube
Thanks for reading, and I'm looking forward to spending some time here. Here a question for the group as I leave. The Golf Sportwagen is "torndo Red" and the Camry is " Supersonic Red". We now have two red cars so how many of us are out there? It's got to be really good luck...right??!! ;o)
Happy 4th, from southeastern NJ, near Philly,
Mike