oops i didn't mean to post this twice... my internet can be a little screwy... my apologies

 

you wont be able to do the 2zz-ge with AWD, seeing as Toyota themselves didnt offer it because the 2ZZ-GE would be too much for it to handle..

 

well i was going for a custom built AWD... cuz there is enough room in the undercarriage for a driveshaft center diff and a rear diff... cuz the horsepower i have planned for this corolla is a little too much for just two wheels... without running into the whole 'unable to control the car' problem

 

best bet is to use a Matrix AWD tranny/awd crap, build that up, and some how mat it to the 2zz-ge...

you might even be able to use Rav4 gear, but I doubt it..

 

hmmm well i have a buddy going into hi performance and he DOES have to build a race car for his final project... i'm sure he could work out the kinks (that and i'm an engineering student) and this may or may not be a dumb question (thats not a good way to start a question i know...) but i need to settle this once and for all... i've heard two different things one guy told me that superchargers are run off the serpentine belt like the A/C and alternator and another told me they're run off the timing belt... the serpentine belt sounds more likly but could someone clear that up cuz i DO plan on supercharging this car in the end (i like response and linear accel over raw horsepower)

 

hmmm well i have a buddy going into hi performance and he DOES have to build a race car for his final project... i'm sure he could work out the kinks (that and i'm an engineering student) and this may or may not be a dumb question (thats not a good way to start a question i know...) but i need to settle this once and for all... i've heard two different things one guy told me that superchargers are run off the serpentine belt like the A/C and alternator and another told me they're run off the timing belt... the serpentine belt sounds more likly but could someone clear that up cuz i DO plan on supercharging this car in the end (i like response and linear accel over raw horsepower)

technically anything that pushes air into your engine is a super charger, even turbochargers are superchargers, but generally when people refer to super chargers, they are referring to non-turbo super chargers. A super charger can run off a belt, be geared directly to the drive shaft, it could even be electric running off the alternator, or any other power source. There is no easy answer to what a super charger is run off unless you are discussing a specific supercharger in a specific car. It sounds like you are planing to do a lot of custom work to your car, so you can design a Rube Goldberg machine as complex as you want to power your supercharger.

 

ok... which belt does your AVERAGE belt driven supercharger get its power then?
Furthering my question tho... how much will a 2ZZ-GE and a Matrix AWD system run me... if bought from a junkyard or bought new?

 

Most will have their own belt. Usually driven off the crank.



Can I just ask, what's the point of this thread?

You say
"I'm going to supercharge/4WD/engine swap my grandma car",
"by the way is this hard? how much will it cost?"

And we all say
"why don't you do some research",
"your just dreaming",
"why don't you do something easier/cheaper",
"why don't you apply some logic to the situation"

Then you reply
"Whatever I know what I'm doing, you'll see when I'm done, you'll all see"

And then we'll never hear from you again.

If this is the case, then can we just leave this thread to die in peace.

 

Most will have their own belt. Usually driven off the crank.



Can I just ask, what's the point of this thread?

You say
"I'm going to supercharge/4WD/engine swap my grandma car",
"by the way is this hard? how much will it cost?"

And we all say
"why don't you do some research",
"your just dreaming",
"why don't you do something easier/cheaper",
"why don't you apply some logic to the situation"

Then you reply
"Whatever I know what I'm doing, you'll see when I'm done, you'll all see"

And then we'll never hear from you again.

If this is the case, then can we just leave this thread to die in peace.

ok no this isn't the point... i'm not dreaming and its not my grandmas car... i've already called the salvage yard i'm buying my 2ZZ-Ge from (but you probably don't know what that is!) with the transmission and i'm looking for a toyota matrix's AWD system... i was asking for ideas/ suggestions... so take your random and rather rood ramblings somewhere else

 

Fensport has done a 2ZZ-GE AWD conversion, although they have used a GT4 all-trac system in place with the 3S-GTE motor, you can try contacting them for more info. but the matrix AWD system IIRC acts more like a FWD car, until it detects rear wheel slippage, so there would be very little performance to gain. besides, it's not robust like a subaru or audi quattro system and would limit the amount of power you can feed through it. it simply wasn't meant for power. now i hope you have deep pockets to throw on your car because things aren't gonna be cheap.

 

Do you even have the slightest idea how much work a 4WD conversion is?

So, you're chasing big power with this engine and you think a system from a 130hp car is going to be up to it? (if you even manage to fit it to the car)

And by "i was asking for ideas/ suggestions..."
Did you mean you're only after idea/suggestions that match your own.

I'm not going to get into anymore mud slinging, so I'll not waste anymore of my time.

 

oh... so someone HAS done an AWD conversion... cool and yes punter i DO realize how much work it will be... guess i could try retro fitting... course this isn't going to happen till i can amass the cash needed to do it... welll the 2zz conversion will happen soon cuz the old 1ZZ-FE is on its last legs and will be good for no more than another 30K or so miles...

 

I'm with punter on this one. You dont seem to be grasping an idea what you want to do. Better sit down and think things over.

As for your AWD conversion, punter has it there, you ask questions and expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter, you should do some research on your own to see what needs to be done, maybe then you'll see how difficult the project is. Really you're lost in the woods without a compass.

Heres some food for thought:
1) Chassis, All 4WD toyotas have a different floor layout to the ones that are just FWD, how are you going to modify the chassis?

2) Rear axle, How are you going to mount it? Are you going with a stiff rear axle or independent rear suspension. How are you going to get the springs to work and how are you going to supply enough rear suspension travel. Gastank getting in the way?

PhatRoyale, Fensport used the japanese 4WD Runx drivetrain custom mounted to a 3S-GTE, they didnt have a 2ZZ-GE engine in the black monster.

OP: Out of curiousity, how old are you?

 

For the money you'll need to invest into the project... you'll probably save money by selling your current ride, buying a used AWD matrix, and drop the 2zz that you're planning to buy into it.

As for insulting punter about not knowing what a 2zz is... he's actually one of the more knowledgable guys on this site.

 

How about you check out this site periodically
Here is a celica for sale

http://www.japan-partner.com/Auto/3658/Toyota/Celica/car-for-sale.html

 

i know this is an old thread but i would like to apologize to punter mainly, but also to all the others 99corolla110 did not know what he was doing those days. hes learned the error of his ways and has began opening his eyes to reality(i.e. he was a dumb ass but know hes a smarter dumb ass) so on behalf of 99corolla110 i do apologize to his rude and inconsiderate words.

Thank you Hatchy_GT-S

 

OMG pointless. Just drop the topic now. If you want an AWD vehicle with power, get a car with that already. By the time you spend all that money converting it, you could've boughten a car that was built for AWD and with more power... STOCK!

 

wasnt there an XRS version of the Matrix with the 2ZZ and an AWD i know i have seen one, so it is possible but it will cost a bunch of money and you might as well go buy a WRX or an EVO and drop cash into those and have much more fun and SAFETY

 

A 3SGt-E or even the 3SG-e Beams motor with dual vvt-i will fit nicely into the 1993-2002 corollas, even newer ones also. the Celica GT4 drive train is similar in size to a corolla but the celica is a few inches wider so you would have to compensate with some wider fenders (oh bummer). but the suspension is identical design and shares some parts so you can use the Celica rear hub and bearings and run the rear disk brakes, and use the celica porportioning valve. the celica is 5x100 lug pattern in the rear of the car so to get 5x100 in the front use the 2003+ hubs and rotor, cause the rest of the brakes are the same as the 93-02 (once again, oh bummer you had to do a 5 lug conversion.)

all that time and effort (and $$$$) just buy a All-TRAC celica, a EVO, or a STI. hell even a Talon Tsi. end of story.

 

It is, but that's the project you're describing is still a ridiculous amount of money to spend on an inferior platform performance wise. Even after the swap it still won't have the handling ability of those cars nor the will it be comparable traction-wise due to the already front-heavy weight bias. However, this does have the potential to be a good drag setup.

 

It all comes down to choice; maybe some people don't like EVO's and STI's because you see them everywhere. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon and wants to get the same stuff. I'd rather do a custom project like this instead of buying the same car as everyone else.

 

Hope you have deep pockets.

It will cost more than buying and then modifying an EVO or STi in the end.

And Corollas are way more common than both those cars so there's nothing unique about it at all.

 

Um, okay. To each their own then I guess. Everyone's got different goals for their cars.

If it makes you happy, then by all means continue building it up.

Post pics of the car once it gets back from the paint shop, will ya?

 

Here's the main thing in doing this, don't let this guys talk you out of it. Get a goal and find out how to get it done, then do it.

Second of all if your gonna do any custom swap like you are talking about, the only you can get it done with minimal spending, is to do things yourself or if you know someone who can do it.

Third if you want to do this kind of swap, you need to get a whole engine/transmission combo. As some have already said the 3sgte and AWD tranmission form the Celica all trac is the best way to go. The 3 sgte is very capable of slmost the same numbers as the 2jz.

To get an idea, search ebay for 3sgte engines. Also you have to think about custom hose, wiring harness, mounts, ect. to fit the Corolla, and those could get very expensive.

But, I've driven a 7th gen with a stock Black top 4age with just headers and a hi-flow cat to a stock muffler. But man from 3 to 7 grand there is just no end of power. So that with the lightness of the Corolla is an awesome combo.

 

Third if you want to do this kind of swap, you need to get a whole engine/transmission combo. As some have already said the 3sgte and AWD tranmission form the Celica all trac is the best way to go. The 3 sgte is very capable of slmost the same numbers as the 2jz.
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this statement dumbfounds me, there is no 3SGTE that even fully built will compete with an even slightly modded 2jzgte